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The decline of childbearing really is kind of crazy

My brother and his wife are seemingly committed DINKs in the...
dun abusive bbw
  03/18/24
this is the inevitable end result of nihilism
appetizing roast beef
  03/18/24
this the end result of consumerism.
dull boltzmann
  03/18/24
this is the result of jews
green state
  03/18/24
"jews made me not nut in that fertile pussy"
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Damn those Jews
Vivacious base
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how about we just keep being jews about it and shift the bla...
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"time to go tell the other jews on the jewish forum abo...
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it is. if you don't believe in god then having children is c...
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Consumerism, we may find, is the great deadener of sensation...
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  03/19/24
yes, but perhaps it is a necessary part of the overall proce...
appetizing roast beef
  03/19/24
no.
dull boltzmann
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Why can’t atheists or agnostics want to have kids
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i mostly only follow viet girls, thats still a conturd cultu...
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why are they committed DINKs
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To be honest, I am not entirely sure. At first my understand...
dun abusive bbw
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have you told them to do it before it's too late
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No. I’ve never even broached the subject with them bef...
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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:29 PM
Author: dun abusive bbw

My brother and his wife are seemingly committed DINKs in their mid-30s, and I (late 30s) am so far from getting married that the probability of me ever breeding is close to zero. My sister-in-law has a brother in his early 40s who is about to get engaged to a woman who can’t have children. Both families’ bloodlines will be extinguished.

I feel bad for my mom because she’s getting older and more frail, and I know she would have loved to have grandchildren.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504296)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:29 PM
Author: appetizing roast beef

this is the inevitable end result of nihilism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504302)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:34 PM
Author: dull boltzmann

this the end result of consumerism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504327)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:34 PM
Author: green state

this is the result of jews

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504329)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:35 PM
Author: Navy death wish

"jews made me not nut in that fertile pussy"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504334)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:36 PM
Author: Vivacious base

Damn those Jews

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504338)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:41 PM
Author: green state

how about we just keep being jews about it and shift the blame onto...needing to buy things

that way none of our jewish feelings get hurt and we don't have to hold jews accountable for there not being enough jews

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504365)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:38 PM
Author: green state

"time to go tell the other jews on the jewish forum about how sad my jewish mom is about this"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504349)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:38 AM
Author: arousing chad hominid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506832)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:42 PM
Author: opaque hunting ground address

it is. if you don't believe in god then having children is completely absurd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504368)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:43 PM
Author: appetizing roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504373)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:26 AM
Author: dull boltzmann

Consumerism, we may find, is the great deadener of sensation and life. This deadening process comes about as consumerism enforces passivity and thereby the abandonment of adult maintenance of society, without which the cultural and social traditions necessary to transition the next generation into adulthood simply disappear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506453)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:10 AM
Author: appetizing roast beef

yes, but perhaps it is a necessary part of the overall process

see here

https://neofeudalreview.substack.com/p/technology-as-the-accelerator-of

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506726)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:24 AM
Author: dull boltzmann

no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506774)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 4:54 PM
Author: red nowag wagecucks

Why can’t atheists or agnostics want to have kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504637)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:04 AM
Author: opaque hunting ground address

without god/afterlife there is no reward here. we're just waiting to die while struggling to pay bills and fighting off stress and boredom. of course there are good times, but on balance it is a nightmare. how could you put someone through that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506941)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:37 PM
Author: heady point gaping

if this is an authentic and heartfelt poast, please know you don’t need to live this way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47509099)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:52 AM
Author: opaque hunting ground address

i've felt this way since i was a kid. what am i supposed to do about it, submit to psychiatry? it's normal, read ecclesiastes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47509729)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 4:55 PM
Author: haunting church keepsake machete

retarded take

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504642)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:07 AM
Author: adventurous property wrinkle

Correct

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506594)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:31 PM
Author: French Thriller Toilet Seat

? Having kids is awesome regardless of God. You can mold them however you like, and watch them flourish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508164)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:40 PM
Author: erotic casino mexican

You can mold them however you like

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508310)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:59 PM
Author: fragrant ape

nihilism = judaism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504843)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:52 AM
Author: amethyst house

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506419)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:31 PM
Author: Crystalline Really Tough Guy

everyone in my immediate blood/in-law families is 3+ kids.

don't worry there are still plenty of kid-havers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504313)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:32 PM
Author: supple startled stage

Its not too surprising this is happening in crazy US but what is absolutely lolzy is seeing kyoot AZNgirls in Asia who i first met when they were mid to late 20's now being single and childless in early to mid 30's and they dont seem to give a single furk abt having kids. It's actually revolting, if a kyoot AZNgirl in Asia can be so quickly brainwashed by kike feminazism and western social media garbage then just imagine everyone else in the world, humans are gonna go extinct

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504320)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:37 PM
Author: Glittery sweet tailpipe

The subset of gold digging AZNgirls that'd waste time with an American turd are not representative of all AZNgirls. Of course that group is gonna trend less toward having a traditional lifestyle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504346)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:44 PM
Author: supple startled stage

lol bitchboi, its not just girls i actually knew its everyone even these hawt model bitches i follow on IG, one just bragged how she went to bangkok to freeze her eggs so she "can live my life!"

humanity is furked

and ljl u are arguing AZNgirl birth rates are high? ljl all the NOWAG countries are going extinct, im just surprised its hit poorer countries like viet and thailand so soon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504376)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:47 PM
Author: Glittery sweet tailpipe

Oh wow the vapid Instagram prostitutes aren’t having kids that veddy shocking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504384)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:49 PM
Author: supple startled stage

i mostly only follow viet girls, thats still a conturd culture that is commie so it didnt get exposed as much to feminazi kike shit until recently. i bet 10-15 years ago such girls were all married by early 20s pumping out kids, now they are poasting hawt half naked pics on IG for old turds to wank to in exotic locations

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504397)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:32 PM
Author: effete sanctuary

why are they committed DINKs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504321)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:41 PM
Author: dun abusive bbw

To be honest, I am not entirely sure. At first my understanding was that my brother didn’t want to have kids out of Reddit-esque concerns about the ecological situation and world outlook generally. But last I heard, it’s my sister-in-law that’s resistant to having kids for reasons which I am not sure of but which I suspect to be career shrewism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504364)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:44 PM
Author: effete sanctuary

have you told them to do it before it's too late

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504379)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:47 PM
Author: dun abusive bbw

No. I’ve never even broached the subject with them before. All I know is through my mom, who is reluctant to bring up the subject with them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504385)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:34 AM
Author: Pea-brained free-loading electric furnace love of her life

I'm likely to not have children - but the fuckers that aren't having kids to save the fucking planet drive me fucking crazy. Looks like one or most likely both of us have some issue making it difficult to conceive, but that's fine for us. Wife has endometriosis so we're figuring that shit out and relaxing about everything.

But it's not b/c of the fucking ecology.

The career shrew thing is real and can be real sad. Lawyer in my company just went through the whole freezing eggs thing last year. She has a longterm boifriend of 10 years. Still no ring. Her freezing her eggs didnt influence her bf to change anything in their life. She's now 36 and you can tell the stress and internalised anxiety is causing her to crack. She's now lashing out at younger more attractive colleagues. Mindblowing to see.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506460)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:33 PM
Author: Tan angry principal's office

earth is about to finally die and its 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504324)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:38 PM
Author: cerebral market

going to start working on another kid soon, inshallah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504351)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:39 PM
Author: Glittery sweet tailpipe

(SP lubing up the acorn)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504357)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:39 PM
Author: Irate theater stage jap



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Date: March 18th, 2024 4:56 PM
Author: haunting church keepsake machete

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504645)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:38 PM
Author: Buck-toothed organic girlfriend

whats really amazing is men that get married and dont have kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504352)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:41 PM
Author: lascivious pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504362)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:52 AM
Author: amethyst house

THIS- I got married to have kids. Love the wife and kids, but no kids? ha ha ha ha! No need for marriage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506418)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 3:30 PM
Author: Dashing citrine karate milk

Louis CK has a great bit about getting married and the difference having kids makes. It's something like 'wow, we're married now and it's official, recognized by the state etc. Then after you have kids you realize before you could have left.' Sounds better when he did it but very true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47507777)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 3:49 PM
Author: Useless trip site

I expect this to turn around in a couple hundred years or so. Any religion that doesn’t allow its followers to reproduce eventually dies out, as it’s very difficult to continue to convert other people’s kids generation after generation. Feminism caught the world off guard, but eventually when everyone alive is the descendent of those who resisted it enough to have kids anyway, a higher percentage of women will prioritize family over career and we’ll see a rebound. I feel like even today alpha and gen z girls are embracing femininity more than girlboss millennials (massive LGBTQIAXYZ+*% numbers notwithstanding), but it might take several generations more before it translates to fertility rate. Regardless, I don’t see humanity going extinct anytime soon. Worst case, the African diaspora ends up making up 75%+ of humanity within 500 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504399)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 4:01 PM
Author: supple startled stage

feminism is only the secondary problem, the jewish death pill is the real problem. for tens of thousands of years women were just breeding factories, now u introduced a pill that when used properly limits 95%+ of conception.

its insane ppl dont talk abt this (obviously its not PC, because the implication is it was a total mistake to allow jews to design this pill which it was, u shld never interfere with nature in this manner its insane)

even if women stopped being feminazis, and even if the marriage age went down, its unlikely the birth rate would ever go much above 2.0 again (and that wld take massive time)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504442)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 4:27 PM
Author: Tan angry principal's office

Lol Jews are about to build Greater Israel 2.0 in Kyiv Rus and reconstruct the Temple Mount in Jerusalem

It’s fucking over

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504553)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 6:36 PM
Author: White box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504950)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:58 PM
Author: Exhilarant violent church building

libs are way ahead of you, that's why they are pushing IVF, fag adoption, surrogacy etc. their solution to the demographic issue is baby farms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504842)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 3:12 PM
Author: erotic casino mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47507735)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 4:40 PM
Author: Hilarious Canary Stag Film Turdskin

I cannot imagine being middle aged, much less old, without children.

What do you do at 35-60 without kids? Buy brand new Mercedes every two years? lol. "Play" "golf"? Visit some fucking country and take pictures with your phone?

Youre definitely NOT writing some philosophical treatise or fucking new girls every week, but even if you were.... "Wow, so here's my treatise on epistemology, readership 12. Here's my latest girl, she was molested so wants to be hit with a toilet seat during sex. She's number 57 on the year."

Or could you imagine being MARRIED to some shrew and spending 4 decades with her, without children?? Just staring at each other across the room? lmao. "Get me a Mercedes, quick! Any fucking thing to distract us."

I cannot even imagine the pain and decrepitude of old age without family.

Holy shit, everyone should creampie tonight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504598)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 4:59 PM
Author: tripping cobalt meetinghouse shitlib

What if the kids are spoiled rotten brats like those of a couple of my good friends? When I drop by their houses and see them running around screaming and being a general annoyance my first impression is to be glad I can go home to a nice quiet home and not have to deal with that.

OTOH, I do feel the need to pass on my seed, but it's more of a vague biological imperative than a feeling that having kids running around would make my day-to-day life more rewarding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504661)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:19 PM
Author: Hilarious Canary Stag Film Turdskin

dgmw, kids are stressors and require tremendous sacrifice, and in the process you kill little parts of yourself to give them life until at the end you basically die while they live and thrive.

you DONT get the stream of mercedes or the selfie in timbuktu or the sexually deranged girls, and more meaningfully you often don't even get a good nights sleep or a day to just chill or a calm morning to properly shave in peace or whatever.

and while your good friends sound like theyre not very good parents (because brats evidence this), sometimes even good kids are bratty and difficult.

the thing is, this emptying of your life energy to fill up their lives is the basic bargain of human life. Asking why it should be this way is as pointless as asking about why gravity or something, and attempts to "find a better way" are doomed.

Kids give you meaning and that's a simple existential fact.

You just WILL feel fulfilled when your kid scores a touchdown or does some morally courageous act, and this displacement of your identity into his happens despite any "psychological" criticism of how it should ackshually not be this way.

You will love them and find happiness in their happiness, in way that makes even spousal love or child-towards-parent love seem petty.

You will lose in the deal, but you will be happy to lose. Best I can express it.

also, every thread like this brings out "well I don't want it" people, and fair play to them. But to me, it sounds sad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504729)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:33 PM
Author: mint factory reset button

Rofled at "spousal love"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504777)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:50 PM
Author: Smoky swashbuckling affirmative action

give yourself a chance to love her bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47505899)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:41 PM
Author: haunting church keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504791)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 10:50 PM
Author: Smoky swashbuckling affirmative action

It sounds "sad" to you because you are a bitchmade male with low-t from co-habitating with women and children. No other way to explain this concern trolling about the choices of adults from an ostensible male.

Let's be real here. At least 1/3 of fathers do not live with their children. The vast majority either abandoned their children entirely, or didn't pursue custody after a break up. That would suggest that your experience is not actually universal. The idea that your feelings are universal is itself solipsistic (a feminine trait).

And fact that the only thing you could imagine doing with your time is buying cars and having sex is also quite feminine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47505898)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:33 AM
Author: Hilarious Canary Stag Film Turdskin

Toughness: 100000000

Reading comp: 0

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506544)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:23 AM
Author: vibrant pink goal in life striped hyena



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506615)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 12:04 PM
Author: Smoky swashbuckling affirmative action

"Kids give you meaning and that's a simple existential fact"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47507144)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:59 AM
Author: sooty elastic band senate

The idea that kids are some world-altering hugely stressful endeavor is 100% a byproduct of the industrial revolution modernity blah blah blah, and it has a huge impact on birth rates (how many non-Mormon families do you see these days with 5+ kids? 3 is considered "large"). Historically speaking it's very much an aberration for parents to spend as much time directly attending to children as people do now, but this whole topic is basically an untouchable sacred cow because our society conditions parents to participate in an arms race to see who can attend the most meaningless tball practices or whatever.

It's not about being able to afford a house seeing as poors shit out more kids than everybody except the 1%. It's about time: poors don't give a shit and the rich can just pay someone to take care of their kid. Everyone in between has to essentially sacrifice most of their lives to raise even a small number of children, which was decidedly not the case as recently as when our grandparents were young.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506916)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 6:38 PM
Author: White box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504957)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 3:16 PM
Author: erotic casino mexican



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Date: March 20th, 2024 2:49 AM
Author: Up-to-no-good Headpube Selfie

https://youtu.be/_fOUMAntCiQ?si=KHGDNteNPYeEc1QK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47509313)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 4:56 PM
Author: red nowag wagecucks

It’s only happening among whites and some East Asians

They’ll just be replaced with blacks and browns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504648)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:02 PM
Author: supple startled stage

even beaner countries going below replacement and beaner americans already are i think

even furking muzzie indonesia is at 2.1 now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504673)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:21 PM
Author: harsh travel guidebook

I know a Hispanic 30-something lawyer couple, both immigrated with their families from Mexico, multiple siblings, and they aren’t having kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504737)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 3:32 PM
Author: Dashing citrine karate milk

Even Africas population is predicted to start declining by mid century. I've heard theories that our elites are worried about population crashes and that part of the impetus for open borders now. They're trying to hover up as many bodies now before the crunch hits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47507783)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:35 PM
Author: mint factory reset button

Like 60% of millennials have tattoos. Making terrible decisions is what people do, particularly if they are part of a larger social trend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504781)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:43 PM
Author: Autistic dingle berry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504797)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:48 PM
Author: Flesh native brethren

Have recently noticed a surprising % of female HS classmates, girls from UMC families, are childless into their 40s whether single or not. Many are. Same with college friends.

I'm sure for every DINK there's 2-3 single women who just never had a boyfriend or got married. And that's among the educated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504804)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:51 PM
Author: beady-eyed water buffalo

It seems like the childless (both men and women) get mentally ill by their mid to late 30s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504813)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 5:59 PM
Author: fragrant ape

If you have 3+ kids, you should be exempt from federal income tax

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504845)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 6:20 PM
Author: charcoal trailer park french chef

remember libs and their population crisis propaganda?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504912)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 6:23 PM
Author: scarlet parlor

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/462181561

New copypasta?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504920)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 6:26 PM
Author: sooty elastic band senate

op needs to grow a beard asap

also, it's the birth control, stupid. /thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504923)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 6:29 PM
Author: Territorial filthy center

timestamp is in favor of the OP. i think OP is the one who got ripped off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504928)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 6:40 PM
Author: dun abusive bbw

Yeah, I didn’t poast that on 4chan. Somebody else on this thread must have done it and added the extra commentary. Oh dear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504962)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 6:27 PM
Author: White box office

It's buttfucking insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504924)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 6:30 PM
Author: pearly idiot hell

This is not so bad.

I honestly think only happy people with good genes should have kids.

I am self-selecting out of the pool due to shitty upbringing and some difficult genetical predispositions that I would not want to pass on to anyone.

But then again, if life is really about suffering because we're paying for our sins, then those who have the shittiest of lives will continue to bring kids to this horrid world.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504934)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 6:42 PM
Author: charismatic piazza mood

Sex without condoms feels better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47504972)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 9:25 PM
Author: wonderful twinkling uncleanness

its about fucking time. where are we now...10 billion people? do we need more?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47505568)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 11:00 PM
Author: red nowag wagecucks

The wrong people are having lots of kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47505930)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:57 AM
Author: Irradiated frozen weed whacker

Because the right people understand life is flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506475)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 9:28 PM
Author: Salmon bat-shit-crazy gas station dragon

It's not ideal but people have their reasons. We should probably hear them out if anyone wants this issue to get any better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47505576)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47505586)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 9:39 PM
Author: excitant circlehead old irish cottage

new poaster poerkan, new poaster first day

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47505627)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 3:50 AM
Author: aphrodisiac mildly autistic useless brakes

poerkan gotta catch em all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506341)



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Date: March 18th, 2024 9:39 PM
Author: Stirring legend

We’ve made a lot of threads about this. One solution is to have state legislatures outlaw abortion. Texas outlawed abortion and the fertility rates have gone up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47505632)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:51 AM
Author: amethyst house

but only amongst the poor and sub-optimal races

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506413)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:02 AM
Author: dull boltzmann

wow it's almost like mass consumerism destroys fertility rates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506588)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:54 AM
Author: diverse chartreuse national

This could be the stupidest idea ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506423)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:13 AM
Author: stimulating at-the-ready garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506738)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:03 AM
Author: Stirring legend

You cannot deny its efficacy:

https://imgur.com/a/vK86FOl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506935)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:36 AM
Author: aphrodisiac mildly autistic useless brakes

fertility rates have gone up in TX because it is being swarmed by Mexicans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506824)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:55 AM
Author: diverse chartreuse national

You could own a home and have a stable job in the city just a generation ago. Now you can't even start your life until like 35. What do you expect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506425)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:20 AM
Author: claret titillating kitty



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506608)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:14 AM
Author: self-centered private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506740)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:56 AM
Author: arousing chad hominid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506901)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:24 AM
Author: crawly overrated yarmulke trump supporter

I hear a lot of anti-kid sentiment in that "joking but not really 100% joking" kind of tone. It's definitely a more socially acceptable position than 15-20 years ago.

There's a real increase in general misandry. This idea that people are bad, life is bad, typical oyt style stuff that we used to grow out of by age 18 but increasingly don't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506450)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:54 AM
Author: Irradiated frozen weed whacker

Twist: life is bad and people are bad

The only people having kids above replacement is literal poors who have no introspection and super wealthy who can afford it

For most everyone else life sucks and the thought of bringing someone out of the peaceful void into this thresher is equivalent to murder

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506474)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:00 AM
Author: haunting church keepsake machete

you sound heavily depressed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506483)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:08 AM
Author: crawly overrated yarmulke trump supporter

It's really not though and you have agency. The elites don't want you to know this but it's true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506722)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:57 AM
Author: arousing chad hominid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506903)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:28 PM
Author: Irradiated frozen weed whacker

There’s no such thing as free will either

lol at you thinking you’re some soul who is the author of your own thoughts and actions and that it’s good being alive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508158)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 10:39 AM
Author: amethyst house

#SHUTITDOWN! The Goyim know!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47509882)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:30 AM
Author: mint factory reset button

Covid revealed that a lot of people really are bad though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506535)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 3:21 PM
Author: erotic casino mexican

agreed. it's part anti-natalism, part atheism, but yeah it's absolutely mainstream to say "i don't like children"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47507758)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:23 PM
Author: sooty elastic band senate

yeah lets see how far any politician would get saying that. wtf?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508249)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:44 PM
Author: erotic casino mexican

politicians aren't going to alienate a chunk of the electorate unless they think they pick up the votes somewhere else. and anti-natalists are less likely to vote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508318)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:02 PM
Author: sooty elastic band senate

Where specifically do you see it as mainstream to seriously say you don't like children?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508355)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:41 PM
Author: erotic casino mexican

in coastal cities, among prestigious college and professional school graduates, in groups of other childless people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508957)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 2:37 AM
Author: sooty elastic band senate

Ah yes, groups of Harvard MBAs prancing around declaring their disdain for children everywhere we turn. Sounds like you just want this to hypothetically be "mainstream" rather than something which people actually encounter in real life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47509299)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:09 AM
Author: erotic casino mexican

bro i don't understand why you're fighting this so hard, i'm not trying to be difficult with you. if you're a chill fratty father of 4 nobody is going to say this stuff to your face. are you somehow unaware that fertility rates have dropped and many more people are publicly saying "i am happy with my childless lifestyle"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47509634)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:21 AM
Author: Indecent Motley Area Boistinker

Most people are a fuckton poorer than their parents were and can’t do the single income thing and when you have two working parents basically 80% of one parent’s wage is going to childcare and that 20% that isn’t means they effectively make minimum wage but the household can’t survive without that little extra bit. Corporate America loves that it drove real wages down 50% and made men into slaves and women into bitches. And education doesn’t really help. Lawyers and doctors in real terms are making 25% less than they did in 1990. We are becoming Brazil. This explains almost all of it. Basic economics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506517)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 8:31 AM
Author: haunting church keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506539)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:14 AM
Author: Curious kitchen

South America is the answer. Cheap maids, nannies, and help there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506601)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:51 AM
Author: supple startled stage

just giving bitches "rights" has destroyed humanity in less than 50 years, one weird trick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506669)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:45 AM
Author: mint factory reset button

gibberish

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506860)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:12 PM
Author: Dashing citrine karate milk

My wife doesn't work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508394)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:06 PM
Author: Cordovan beta blood rage

Doctors maybe. But lawyers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508757)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 9:21 AM
Author: Soggy Roommate

As long as libs aren’t reproducing, it’s fine.

At this point, libs should be imprisoned, forcibly sterilized, and removed from society.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506609)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:43 PM
Author: White box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508313)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:05 AM
Author: Topaz mind-boggling sound barrier mental disorder

OYYYYYYYY VEEEYYYYYYY MUH BLOODLINES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506712)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:35 AM
Author: dun abusive bbw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506820)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:14 AM
Author: crawly overrated yarmulke trump supporter

They really do start teaching girls at like age 12. That pregnancy is the worst fate imaginable.

It's wild how much more sex everybody had when there was zero public sex education. Everyone just fumbled around at age 18

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506742)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:15 AM
Author: self-centered private investor

18? 14-16 used to be normal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506744)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:43 AM
Author: Curious kitchen

Its not really that concerning. People who want to have children will. America resetting with a smaller population is not an inherently bad thing. 100 million people in america is not a bad thing.

a lot of women who would have made terrible mothers in the past aren't having kids which is good. its good they have that option now.

and lots of conservative communities are having kids. there is a lot of self selection on this website as highly educated high income people have skewed worldviews of what people are mostly doing.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506854)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:47 AM
Author: excitant circlehead old irish cottage

“a lot of women who would have made terrible mothers in the past aren't having kids which is good. its good they have that option now“

only if they were stripped of political power, which they are not

as is they refocus their vestigial instincts to antisocial ends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47507111)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 7:05 PM
Author: White box office

100 million Americans with 20 million white ones.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508376)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:55 AM
Author: bateful cocky idea he suggested mediation

A lot is the peer group effect. If your friends all have kids you can too, and still hang out with them day drinking at the park/beach/little league games. If none of your friends have kids it sux to be the only one missing Cochella / trying to make new friends in your 30s and 40s with other parents from school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47506899)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 11:06 AM
Author: iridescent bull headed spot filthpig

This is an EXTREMELY feminine way of looking at it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47510008)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 4:39 PM
Author: haunting church keepsake machete

can’t believe no one has posted the Idiocracy opening

https://youtu.be/zq6E9BJcs0Y

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508029)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 6:23 PM
Author: sooty elastic band senate

not politicized enough for XO2024. It's more popular these day to cast such people as being willfully soulless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508251)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 2:47 AM
Author: haunting church keepsake machete

idk those corporate freaks were very soulless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47509309)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 2:54 AM
Author: sooty elastic band senate

Yeah but it's more a generic "haha dumb yuppies" thing, people these days have to see enemies everywhere so unless they're portrayed as genuinely evil libs actively trying to destroy humanity and celebrating their decision it's just not going to resonate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47509320)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 4:52 PM
Author: snowy hairraiser rehab

Who cares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508062)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 5:25 PM
Author: Copper Juggernaut Tank

Mostly democrats and urban scum (no offense). Right wingers will breed into a supermajority.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5505753&forum_id=2#47508147)