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What was the best 2000s and 2010s indie band?

Out of Arcade Fire, The Strokes, The National, White Stripes...
Mischievous burgundy crotch
  03/19/24
modest mouse by far of that group but their best album came ...
Arousing citrine center sandwich
  03/19/24
My junkie mom and her husband are close friends with the lea...
Multi-colored persian
  03/19/24
I always thought it was weird as fuck when Johnny Marr joine...
Sable violent cruise ship indirect expression
  03/19/24
Same here. Guy is a guitar virtuoso and songwriting genius a...
crimson cowardly gas station hominid
  03/19/24
that was surprising at the very least. MM was past their pea...
Arousing citrine center sandwich
  03/19/24
marr's career is confounding. the guy is a truly amazing gui...
crimson cowardly gas station hominid
  03/21/24
cr. the worst of it was "johnny marr and the healers&qu...
Arousing citrine center sandwich
  03/21/24
cr. he's a scumbag from a trailer park. makes for more inter...
Arousing citrine center sandwich
  03/19/24
My fav albums of this genre are Funeral - Arcade Fire Pi...
Electric messiness
  03/19/24
Never could get into that Klaxons album all that much I k...
irradiated azure puppy
  03/19/24
which hit? I think the non-singles from the album are actual...
Electric messiness
  03/20/24
In terms of lasting impact: 1. The Killers 2. White ...
canary range national security agency
  03/19/24
The Walkmen
mahogany pontificating travel guidebook idiot
  03/19/24
The skints are prob my fav actually. 3 killer albums between...
Electric messiness
  03/19/24
some albums from the 00's 'indie' scene which hold up well: ...
Effete Soggy Corn Cake
  03/19/24
Ghosts of the great highway was under sun kil moon aktually,...
dark slap-happy locale
  03/19/24
Bright Eyes
Sable violent cruise ship indirect expression
  03/19/24
lol fag
Crusty Seedy New Version
  03/20/24
Muse
Bat Shit Crazy Resort Candlestick Maker
  03/19/24
Black Keys, Franz Ferdinand
Appetizing Bull Headed Giraffe Abode
  03/19/24
Black Keys I can still get into. Not sure that Franz Ferdina...
lake passionate son of senegal
  03/21/24
Interpol gets my vote
Costumed sound barrier
  03/19/24
first album was 180. paul and carlos were actually cool ...
Arousing citrine center sandwich
  03/19/24
same. I never miss their show when they come to town. I'm se...
rusted trailer park
  03/19/24
...
mewling lime mother
  03/21/24
Animal Collective
Chest-beating glassy orchestra pit
  03/19/24
brother sport is ungnnngnngngh
dark slap-happy locale
  03/19/24
Arcade Fire put on the best three album run The Strokes h...
irradiated azure puppy
  03/19/24
there was such an avalanche of so much indie music of high t...
vivacious haunting ape
  03/19/24
Lana del Rey Two door cinema club Young the giant Cage th...
cobalt whorehouse
  03/20/24
👍
pink vibrant theater stage internal respiration
  03/20/24
The Killers. Done.
Spectacular sadistic liquid oxygen rigor
  03/20/24
not really indie
Sable violent cruise ship indirect expression
  03/20/24
the Indie Big 3: Wilco, The National, Bon Iver alternates...
Soul-stirring maroon associate
  03/20/24
The Strokes and The Killers are the two best bands.
Charismatic voyeur really tough guy
  03/20/24
Aerosmith
Excitant narrow-minded multi-billionaire tank
  03/20/24
Out of the group OP listed, the White Stripes and it isn't c...
crawly pungent temple stain
  03/20/24
“Indie” is too broad of a label. At this point i...
Godawful Trip Space Kitty Cat
  03/20/24
Don't mention bloc party pls
Spectacular sadistic liquid oxygen rigor
  03/20/24
indie is a shitty term because it originates from a business...
Supple Alpha
  03/20/24
So what? Talking about how indie used to mean “indepen...
Godawful Trip Space Kitty Cat
  03/21/24
Hudson Bell
Histrionic trump supporter
  03/20/24
Spoon is by far the best from that era simply because each a...
Crusty Seedy New Version
  03/20/24
and they still do. last couple of records went a more synth/...
Supple Alpha
  03/20/24
not seeing much lcd in here. anyway it's probably the stroke...
Supple Alpha
  03/20/24
Strokes = the last rock band before everything became &ldquo...
cobalt whorehouse
  03/20/24
i don't know, the killers and black keys have been huge for ...
Supple Alpha
  03/20/24
The Lumineers /EOT
Elite Out-of-control Doctorate Clown
  03/20/24
Cart me off to Williamsburg 2008
Provocative place of business
  03/20/24
second Chairlift record
aqua big-titted becky community account
  03/20/24
Postal Service
low-t set codepig
  03/20/24
This thread is unearthing long lost memories and playlists a...
dark slap-happy locale
  03/20/24
I still use last.fm
irradiated azure puppy
  03/20/24
Are you old enough to have listened to college radio? That&r...
lake passionate son of senegal
  03/21/24
Xo has such horrible taste in music unless most of you guys ...
crawly pungent temple stain
  03/21/24
stfu ZZZ
Crusty Seedy New Version
  03/21/24
im gay
Drunken Dead Field Marketing Idea
  03/21/24
I agree with a lot of the suggestions ITT. I'd add The Mount...
tan masturbator
  03/21/24
Lot of good stuff itt although there’s some of the ine...
lake passionate son of senegal
  03/21/24


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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:46 PM
Author: Mischievous burgundy crotch

Out of Arcade Fire, The Strokes, The National, White Stripes, Interpol, Vampire Weekend, The Killers, The Shins, Modest Mouse, MGMT, Death Cab…

Who am I forgetting?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47508963)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:48 PM
Author: Arousing citrine center sandwich

modest mouse by far of that group but their best album came out in the 90s

brand new also had some very good stuff if you consider them indie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47508967)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:19 PM
Author: Multi-colored persian

My junkie mom and her husband are close friends with the lead singer of modest mouse. He has a big loft in downtown Portland. I guess he has a pool table that has stacks of hundred dollar bills on it. He'll grab one on his way out the door. He buys people booze but only does heroin himself. I met him once. He seemed incredibly dumb. Laughed at really immature fart type jokes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509058)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:24 PM
Author: Sable violent cruise ship indirect expression

I always thought it was weird as fuck when Johnny Marr joined Modest Mouse. Like, why??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509071)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:42 PM
Author: crimson cowardly gas station hominid

Same here. Guy is a guitar virtuoso and songwriting genius and he joined MM to play rhythm guitar at a time when they quit doing anything interesting with their music.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509110)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:44 PM
Author: Arousing citrine center sandwich

that was surprising at the very least. MM was past their peak and johnny was pretty old already. i heard recently that marr didnt know them at all and just got a random phone call one day.

they made a good(not great) album together though. better than almost everything else marr's done post smiths imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509112)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 10:37 AM
Author: crimson cowardly gas station hominid

marr's career is confounding. the guy is a truly amazing guitarist and songwriter, at least judging by the smiths' output. and beyond his "side gig" with bernard sumner in electronic, he hasn't done anything worth a shit, certainly not anything even in the same neighborhood as the smiths.

i guess him and that fag morrissey were just a magical duo (not taking anything away from the rhythm section, which was also phenomenal).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47512791)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 11:41 AM
Author: Arousing citrine center sandwich

cr. the worst of it was "johnny marr and the healers" which sounded like bad oasis 5 years after oasis knockoffs went out of style

smiths were 180 rip andy rourke

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47512969)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:38 PM
Author: Arousing citrine center sandwich

cr. he's a scumbag from a trailer park. makes for more interesting songs than the "indie" made by theater kids and art fag types imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509102)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:49 PM
Author: Electric messiness

My fav albums of this genre are

Funeral - Arcade Fire

Pieces of the People we Love - the Rapture

Myths of the Near Future - Klaxons



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47508968)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:28 PM
Author: irradiated azure puppy

Never could get into that Klaxons album all that much

I kinda view them as a one hit wonder

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509079)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:02 AM
Author: Electric messiness

which hit? I think the non-singles from the album are actually the best songs.

Totem on the Timeline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwXLjv27PWw

Two Receivers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZtLAQFdVvg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509610)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:49 PM
Author: canary range national security agency

In terms of lasting impact:

1. The Killers

2. White Stripes

3. Death Cab

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47508970)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:49 PM
Author: mahogany pontificating travel guidebook idiot

The Walkmen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47508975)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:57 PM
Author: Electric messiness

The skints are prob my fav actually. 3 killer albums between 2012-2019. Swimming Lessons in particular is an incredible genre blending album.

https://youtu.be/b5NVWmOKGGw?si=XuwZNMRQgiVQTk7D

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509000)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:11 PM
Author: Effete Soggy Corn Cake

some albums from the 00's 'indie' scene which hold up well:

jason molina's 'magnolia electric co.'

calexico's 'feast of wire'

the faint's 'danse macabre'

dismemberment plan's 'change'

justice's cross album

grandaddy's 'sophtware slump'

sweet trip's 'velocity'

mark kozelek's 'ghosts of the great highway'

spoon's 'girls can tell'

richmond fontaine's 'winnemucca'



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509031)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:38 PM
Author: dark slap-happy locale

Ghosts of the great highway was under sun kil moon aktually, not a mark kozelek solo

And yeah it holds up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509103)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:12 PM
Author: Sable violent cruise ship indirect expression

Bright Eyes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509033)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:54 AM
Author: Crusty Seedy New Version

lol fag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509736)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:13 PM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Resort Candlestick Maker

Muse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509037)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:13 PM
Author: Appetizing Bull Headed Giraffe Abode

Black Keys, Franz Ferdinand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509039)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 4:38 AM
Author: lake passionate son of senegal

Black Keys I can still get into. Not sure that Franz Ferdinand really holds up. I’ve tried to listen to their albums recently and make it through half a song and get bored.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47512376)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:16 PM
Author: Costumed sound barrier

Interpol gets my vote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509044)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:49 PM
Author: Arousing citrine center sandwich

first album was 180.

paul and carlos were actually cool rock star types too. other indie bands almost never had dudes like that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509118)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:53 PM
Author: rusted trailer park

same. I never miss their show when they come to town. I'm seeing them in a few months

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509129)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 1:32 AM
Author: mewling lime mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47512292)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:22 PM
Author: Chest-beating glassy orchestra pit

Animal Collective

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509066)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:40 PM
Author: dark slap-happy locale

brother sport is ungnnngnngngh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509105)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:40 PM
Author: irradiated azure puppy

Arcade Fire put on the best three album run

The Strokes have a high number of excellent albums & fewest clunkers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509106)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:56 PM
Author: vivacious haunting ape

there was such an avalanche of so much indie music of high technical/production/songwriting quality coming out back then that it became 'worthless' in a sense.

sort of like how 2020s NBA seems kind of lame because teams 'cracked the code' and even mediocre players are basically stronger/more athletic than peak Michael Jordan. it devalues the product somehow.

i remember listening to my hipster GF's indie ipod and it was like 10000 songs that were all sort of 'better' than anything that came out of 80s/90s indie, but also sort of interchangeable and boring as a result.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509135)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:45 AM
Author: cobalt whorehouse

Lana del Rey

Two door cinema club

Young the giant

Cage the elephant

Metric

Florence and the machine

Alvvays

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509577)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 1:02 PM
Author: pink vibrant theater stage internal respiration

👍

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47510401)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:46 AM
Author: Spectacular sadistic liquid oxygen rigor

The Killers. Done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509579)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:24 AM
Author: Sable violent cruise ship indirect expression

not really indie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509674)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:24 AM
Author: Soul-stirring maroon associate

the Indie Big 3: Wilco, The National, Bon Iver

alternates: Broken Social Scene, Grizzly Bear, Belle & Sebastian, Phoenix, Vampire Weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509672)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:29 AM
Author: Charismatic voyeur really tough guy

The Strokes and The Killers are the two best bands.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509683)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:31 AM
Author: Excitant narrow-minded multi-billionaire tank

Aerosmith

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509686)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:33 AM
Author: crawly pungent temple stain

Out of the group OP listed, the White Stripes and it isn't close.

Arcade Fire solid second.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509691)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:36 AM
Author: Godawful Trip Space Kitty Cat

“Indie” is too broad of a label. At this point it’s basically meaning any non-classical/country/screamo music by white people with real instruments between 2000 and 2020.

But in no specific order I would say:

death cab/postal service, modest mouse, bloc party, foals, arcade fire, interpol, silversun pickups, band of horses, war on drugs, beach house, the XX, Bombay bicycle club, the national, two door cinema club, Franz Ferdinand, grizzly bear, local natives, lcd soundsystem, future islands, phoenix, yeah yeah yeahs, fleet foxes, empire of the Sun, m83, Arctic monkeys, the strokes, cage the elephant, tame impala, metric, vampire weekend. There are a few more.

Picking a best is impossible - how do you compare silversun pickups to beach house?

Im leaving the killers, white stripes, keane and muse off this list. They are rock bands but very far away from what someone would consider “indie” if you listened to the rest of the list.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509696)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 12:38 PM
Author: Spectacular sadistic liquid oxygen rigor

Don't mention bloc party pls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47510308)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 1:17 PM
Author: Supple Alpha

indie is a shitty term because it originates from a business model but has been transformed into an aesthetic. under the former, white stripes are as indie as it gets. but to most people now indie means you have a beard, a short brim hat, tattoos, and folk instruments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47510440)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 1:22 AM
Author: Godawful Trip Space Kitty Cat

So what? Talking about how indie used to mean “independent” is like saying Netflix isn’t “tv” if you watch it on a laptop or something. Terms change. I don’t even think the “independent” phrase really had much value at the start anyways. Who cares if a band has signed with a label? Meaningless for listeners.

I don’t think many people’s mind jumps to Mumford and sons or the lumineers when they hear “indie” either - folk music and brim hats are just that - folk music. I think my list is pretty fair. It basically means electic rock music with emo undertones. More of a vibe than anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47512282)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:53 AM
Author: Histrionic trump supporter

Hudson Bell

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509734)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:58 AM
Author: Crusty Seedy New Version

Spoon is by far the best from that era simply because each album they produced is good music. Girls Can Tell, Kill the Moonlight, Gimme Fiction, Ga Ga Ga, etc. They just consistently put out good music.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509748)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 10:03 AM
Author: Supple Alpha

and they still do. last couple of records went a more synth/electronic direction and are still very good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509757)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 10:00 AM
Author: Supple Alpha

not seeing much lcd in here. anyway it's probably the strokes. they were there from the start and they're still there. white stripes burned hotter but burned out. could argue for arcade fire, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509750)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 10:20 AM
Author: cobalt whorehouse

Strokes = the last rock band before everything became “indie”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47509821)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 1:13 PM
Author: Supple Alpha

i don't know, the killers and black keys have been huge for 20+ years now. rock definitely isn't the main attraction anymore, but there were plenty of successful acts amidst all the clap stomp hey indie shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47510429)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 1:04 PM
Author: Elite Out-of-control Doctorate Clown

The Lumineers /EOT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47510404)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 3:44 PM
Author: Provocative place of business

Cart me off to Williamsburg 2008

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47510923)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 10:07 PM
Author: aqua big-titted becky community account

second Chairlift record

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47511956)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 10:11 PM
Author: low-t set codepig

Postal Service

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47511969)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 11:49 PM
Author: dark slap-happy locale

This thread is unearthing long lost memories and playlists and albums long forgotten from college

Take me back, take me back to seeing death cab and broken social scene in small venues and following random blogspot blogs to catch new music and seeing what your friends were listening to on last.fm and stealing music from people’s iTunes on the library WiFi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47512164)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 11:51 PM
Author: irradiated azure puppy

I still use last.fm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47512167)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 4:41 AM
Author: lake passionate son of senegal

Are you old enough to have listened to college radio? That’s how I learned about new music back then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47512377)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 12:06 AM
Author: crawly pungent temple stain

Xo has such horrible taste in music unless most of you guys are flaming or gay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47512185)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 10:57 AM
Author: Crusty Seedy New Version

stfu ZZZ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47512853)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 1:36 AM
Author: Drunken Dead Field Marketing Idea
Subject: im gay

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4825046&mc=39&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47512295)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 3:05 AM
Author: tan masturbator

I agree with a lot of the suggestions ITT. I'd add The Mountain Goats to the list of contenders, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47512358)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 4:47 AM
Author: lake passionate son of senegal

Lot of good stuff itt although there’s some of the inevitable attempts to out-indie other people. I like Beach House, too, but to put them in the same importance conversation as Arcade Fire or the White Stripes, etc. is laughable.

For endurance, I think it’s The National and Arcade Fire. Still both touring and have listenable music, and it’s not gimmicky or wildly different than what they were playing 15-20 years ago.

This thread confirms that many of us are 38-44.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2#47512379)