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Wait, so the Ukraine aid doesn't even contemplate a counter offensive?
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Date: April 18th, 2024 5:03 PM Author: lascivious magical resort just dug into the bill and read some reports. it's mostly about air defense, munitions, and shit? what's the point? the emergency nature of this seems to be about ukraine running out of munitions to counter russian attacks. but it doesn't seem like anyone thinks that it'll enable ukraine to meaningfully push back russia. so, we're spending billions so ukraine can lose slower? or maintain a stalemate at best? and then what?
cia and zelensky both said ukraine will collapse by the end of the year without aid. what is the point of prolonging this? i guess the hope is is that after november the winds change for democrats and they can provide *MORE* support. so, we're just stalling for a bit and the only way ukraine turns the tides is direct intervention from the west? which no one is going to go for considering we can't even get aid passed?
just end this peacefully. at this rate russia will run them over and be able to dictate whatever it wants. |
Date: April 18th, 2024 5:51 PM Author: Aqua irradiated shrine If ukrain is able to maintain stalemate Russia will collapse. That was the proposed goal from the beginning. No one even expect Ukraine to make those advances last year. In stalemate collective west spends under 1% of gdp on Ukraine handouts while Russia must overpay for shitty China electronics and completely dependent on China to keep going. China can just cut it off from banking any day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47593840) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:01 PM Author: lascivious magical resort ukraine is running out of manpower and russia's economy and ability to produce armaments doesn't seem to have slowed. what good will more arms for ukraine be if they don't have people to operate them? if this is a battle between the west and china blinking first, i'm unaware of china struggling for months to pass an emergency aid package to russia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47593869) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:04 PM Author: Aqua irradiated shrine China has no incentive to actually help Russia. It makes profit off all its transactions and usa doesn't mind it taking advantage of Russia. Like China sell overexpensive shit electronics to Russia while buying sbux and tsla from usa. Meanwhile usa gives up its old missiles and patriots to Ukraine. All the while usa certainly doesn't mind if population of both Russia and Ukraine is cut in 1/2. That would be a gold mine for future corporate takeover. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47593883) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:12 PM Author: lascivious magical resort i think china's reasons for helping russia are identical to us helping ukraine. and unless the us forces china to stop aid (we don't have the balls) it doesn't seem like a big deal for them.
either way, i think we agree that this just about weakening russia and maintaining us influence, and that prolonging the conflict is the goal with the aid, not ukraine actually winning. at this point i just don't see russia's war effort and production capacity slowing. |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:30 PM Author: Razzle Infuriating Toilet Seat Space You’re dumb. Russia is losing a significant portion of its military in this conflict. The US is losing army surplus shit that was slated to be decommissioned. It’s not the same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595353) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:37 PM Author: Ruddy Prole Pentagon just said Russia military force is 15% larger now 🤔 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595366) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:41 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi yeah a bunch of troops more but now they have to use North Korean artillery and they ride on golf carts into battle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595374) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:50 PM Author: Ruddy Prole Why wouldn't Russia buy shells from North Korea? It's crazy that Ukraine is continuously getting their shit pushed in and retreating from soldiers armed with shovels riding around on golf carts.
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:52 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi of course they would, cuz they ran out of their own ammo
the soviet legacy of armored vehicles and insane amounts of artillery ammo, plus the willingness to use troops as cannon fodder, are what made russia an outsized military power that scared other countries. now 2 out of 3 of those advantages are gone |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:53 PM Author: Ruddy Prole Yep. Russia is out of ammo and can't produce their own munitions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595434) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:59 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi yes they would have run out if they didn’t buy from other shitholes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595453) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 1:28 PM Author: Ruddy Prole lol do you work for the State Department or CIA? this is more giga tard level analysis from a 90 IQ Marine mutt |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 5:08 PM Author: crusty self-absorbed national hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47596080) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:03 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi wow based boor gets it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47593877) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:06 PM Author: Aqua irradiated shrine I get that the ultimate goal is to turn moscow and Kiev info places like Brazile and South Africa filled with subhuman like u. I.e. Tadjik workers and American owners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47593892) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:11 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi lol moscow is like 25% nonwhite and Kiev is like Warsaw lily white
try again |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:21 PM Author: lascivious magical resort god you're so fucking dumb man. he's being perfectly clear. it's so funny you say "based boor" and then flip it around.
he's saying the west's goal is to further colonize and influence the region by weaking and depopulating whatever's left of ukraine. it doesn't matter that kiev is lily white now -- once ukraine is fully controlled by the west we'll import a bunch of brown laborers just like we do everywhere else.
whoops, so much for your glorious racial war! now you get to be another western workhouse where we own everything and force you to accept unlimited brown immigrants that'll work for us. Slava Ukraini! |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:22 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi yes the west will turn Kiev into..moscow
got it 👠|
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:29 PM Author: lascivious magical resort argue with him, not me. my point is that you're too fucking dumb to even understand what he was saying despite him being very clear. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47593955) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:49 AM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi “boor is very smart and speaks clearly”
(gunner) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 10:46 PM Author: crusty self-absorbed national hunting ground Ok then China would immediately become the next target and they would have to fight NATO without Russia's vast resources. Which is why this will never happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47594356) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:40 PM Author: Ruddy Prole This whole analysis by these retards is so dumb. Russia, China, Iran, etc. know the US is trying to divide and conquer them. Why would they not agree to cooperate with each other to resist US domination?
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:45 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi lol @ this board game understanding of the politics at play (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595390) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:52 PM Author: Ruddy Prole please enlighten us, giga tard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595432) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 4:12 PM Author: Talented Tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595966) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 4:15 PM Author: crusty self-absorbed national hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595974) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 4:16 PM Author: Ruddy Prole who knew a former Marine would be a complete moron (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595979) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 4:21 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi oh look a shitlib russiacuck is triggered (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595984) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 5:08 PM Author: crusty self-absorbed national hunting ground (Guy who is pushing the lib position entirely) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47596083) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 5:27 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi (guy who thinks Reagan was a lib for calling russia the evil empire and driving them to collapse) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47596113) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 5:53 PM Author: Curious insane rigor parlour Eventually someone will fatally murder to death that retarded corrupt elf Zelenskyy and then there will be peace. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47593844) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:03 PM Author: lascivious magical resort i almost can't believe the democratic west still thinks this is a fight for democracy when zelensky still will not hold elections. luckily i've had a lifetimes of shitlibs being unprincipled faggots so this is in line with that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47593876) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:04 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi elections are illegal under Ukrainian law ie due to parliament
also link to any country in history holding elections when 20% of their country is occupied and the rest is fighting an existential war |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:13 PM Author: lascivious magical resort "and that's what the people should not be able to voice their opinion on whether to continue fighting and dying in a lost cause." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47593913) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:14 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi Zelenskyy is still very popular and support for the war is even higher
why did you all of a sudden decide to become a very vocal russiacuck despite being so terribly informed? I mean it’s kinda funny but weird |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:24 PM Author: Racy Angry Wagecucks Gunner is our resident retard since lsd left. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47593940) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:28 PM Author: lascivious magical resort yeah what i retard i am for thinking the ukranian people should have a voice whether the war should continue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47593953) |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:27 PM Author: lascivious magical resort because my primary concern is my country's involvement in the war and there is a huge aid package being debated.
i've always kept up with the war i just don't care much to debate it. i have little faith in the truth of what i read because it's so propagandized. i don't post about maghreb either, or the day-to-day news about israel. |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 10:42 PM Author: crusty self-absorbed national hunting ground Zelinsky's party has total control over ukraine. They could easily change the law. Pretending this is some real impediment is laughable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47594334) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:14 PM Author: Amethyst Codepig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1864_United_States_presidential_election (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595308) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:24 PM Author: French Splenetic Internal Respiration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectoralCollege1864.svg
The South didn't get to vote. Why not? |
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Date: April 18th, 2024 6:31 PM Author: azure violent degenerate casino They will collapse without aid and Russia may achieve their "maximalist" war goals (or closer to them). Maybe Novorussiya with a landlocked puppeted rump Ukraine or something.
Delusional libs probably think there is some magical scenario where the Ukraine pushes Russia out of Crimea and the Donbas or where Russia collapses and withdraws to pre-war borders or something.
In reality the aid extends Ukraine's clock before collapse and maybe brings Russia to the table to accept occupied territory for peace. |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:41 PM Author: Ruddy Prole What exactly is the "aid"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595375) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:27 PM Author: Razzle Infuriating Toilet Seat Space A years-long stalemate in Ukraine is the best case scenario for the US. Russia continues wasting away their military equipment and personnel, we don’t force them into a situation where they feel they have to use nukes, and Ukraine remains free and Russia isn’t a threat to the rest of Europe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595343) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:33 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi russia can only use nukes first if they feel that the survival of the state is at risk
nothing that could plausibly happen in Ukraine would ever trigger that. it’s dickless bluffing by a country that has nothing else up its sleeve |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 12:44 PM Author: Ruddy Prole There is no stalemate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595386) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 2:25 PM Author: crusty self-absorbed national hunting ground "Ukraine remains free"
Where free = an open air prison where people aren't allowed to leave, unlike Russia where they can. They also have no freedom of speech, religion or anything else. Elections are cancelled, so they can't vote for change either. There is a secret police that pursues people who say the wrong thing on social media and disappear them. They're about as free as the citizens of the most authoritarian regimes out there. |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 2:29 PM Author: French Splenetic Internal Respiration Would you like to review the "Liberated Cities"? You can live in lovely Bakhmut, Avdiivka, Mariinka, Severodonetsk? All THRIVING cities in the Russkii Mir. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595698) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 2:40 PM Author: crusty self-absorbed national hunting ground You can look at Mariupol as the poster child of "it is better to be in Russia than under the current Ukrainian regime." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYEBVGj51nk
And of course there's Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea.
Your other examples involve towns still close to the front lines where the approach has been to evacuate civilians to existing Russian cities, including Mariupol which is actively being rebuilt. You don't focus reconstruction on towns near the front line for what should be obvious reasons. |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 2:43 PM Author: French Splenetic Internal Respiration Mariupol.... did they ever fix up the museum? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595737) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 4:10 PM Author: crusty self-absorbed national hunting ground Yeah that's the top priority here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595961) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 4:22 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi remember when they killed 500 civilians in the theater cuz they saw 3 guys in uniform nearby?
good times |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 3:24 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi lol @ this ghoul trying to brag about the Potemkin village russia is trying to build in what was a nice Ukrainian town (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595851) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 4:11 PM Author: crusty self-absorbed national hunting ground It's a Russian town that would have voted to join Russia in any free election. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595964) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 4:20 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi well good thing you russians obliterated the city and killed thousands of innocent civilians! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595982) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 5:10 PM Author: crusty self-absorbed national hunting ground Good thing ukraine did everything to make that happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47596086) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 5:19 PM Author: Opaque trailer park fanboi why didn’t Ukraine make it happen before russia invaded? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47596106) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 1:35 PM Author: French Splenetic Internal Respiration How would US Congress mandate a counteroffensive by Ukraine's armed forces? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595527) |
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Date: April 19th, 2024 2:43 PM Author: Fishy vengeful dopamine church How do they mandate a private school adhere to Title IX (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519143&forum_id=2#47595735) |