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Alex Berenson Pointing Out Something Insane About Trump NY Charges
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 10:06 PM Author: bespoke avocado kitchen people who are hurt Wtf - I just checked this and its true. The entries and payments were made after the election. How on earth can any of this stand up on appeal?
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-lawfare-against-donald-trump
But it has an even bigger hole factually. The heart of the underlying crime - the reason that the case is being charged as a felony - is that Trump supposedly engaged in a "conspiracy" to win election.
BUT TRUMP IS NOT BEING CHARGED FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN 2016. He's charged for misclassifying the repayments he made to Cohen in 2017.
And in 2017, at the time of the payments to Cohen, Donald Trump had already beaten Hillary Clinton. He was president of the United States. He didn’t need to engage in a conspiracy to win the 2016 election. He COULD NOT engage in a conspiracy to win the 2016 election, not without a time-travel machine, which is not mentioned in the indictment. |
Date: April 23rd, 2024 10:09 PM Author: Zippy Curious Nursing Home Hominid check the small print of Orange Man Bad. Checkmate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47605893) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 2:51 AM Author: Poppy sweet tailpipe whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606123) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 10:27 PM Author: shivering headpube chapel do you think an illegal election contribution is somehow legal after an election? not classifying something achieves the same goal as classifying it as "[something legal other than a 130,000 campaign contribution]." the mere fact that he classified it as something other than what it was proves that the payment was made to help trump's reelection, and the crime it covered up was a campaign contribution that exceeded the maximum individual campaign contribution, thereby elevating the crime for misdemeanor falsification of business records to felony falsification of records. perhaps he shouldn't have gone on a crime spree after giving everyone tons of reasons to hate him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47605929) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 10:38 PM Author: topaz outnumbered menage IRL lol at this low iq take (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47605935) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:11 PM Author: bespoke avocado kitchen people who are hurt Honest question -
Do you think it is illegal for Trump to donate $130,000 to his campaign? |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:12 PM Author: Glittery Unholy Forum lol@ anyone who thinks this pumo isn't a Benzo alt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47605990) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:08 AM Author: silver karate multi-billionaire (expert on crime sprees) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606272) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 10:28 PM Author: beady-eyed blue step-uncle's house roast beef Read the indictment. Yep all 34 counts were for falsifying business records for payments made in 2017 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47605930) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:28 PM Author: Passionate persian boltzmann Complete this sentence: "And therefore ____." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606017) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 10:03 AM Author: red property juggernaut Judgment as a matter of law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606344) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:00 PM Author: brindle federal internal respiration not looking. assume cohen made the payment(s) in 2016 and trump's reimbursements took place in 2017. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47605959) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:13 PM Author: bespoke avocado kitchen people who are hurt That's correct - but the state is not charging Trump with anything related to the payments. The crime is only related to his alleged mis-classfication of the payments on his internal records.
So how could that misclassification be in furtherance of an election he already won?
I mean the whole thing makes no sense - it's all really tenuous circular claims. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:15 PM Author: garnet infuriating lay puppy Yes.
Trump/Cohen/Pecker set up Catch & Kill in 2016 to help Trump win the election. Cohen pays off Stormy in October on the understanding Trump will reimburse him as part of C&K. In January, Trump and Cohen agree to a 12-month payout of the Stormy money plus some other stuff disguised as a retainer so Cohen can claim income (not reimbursement) and Trump can claim he's just paying a lawyer for services rendered. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:23 PM Author: bespoke avocado kitchen people who are hurt (i) Assuming everything is true that Trump paid Cohen money for (a) the reimbursement, (b) Cohen's taxes, and (c) Cohen's fees, why is fraud for Trump to characterize all of this as "legal fees" on his internal documents of a private company?
(ii) Who was harmed by this? You say Cohen got to claim it as income rather than reimbursement - but that just means Trump paid more money in taxes. Isn't that good for the government?
(iii) In what way was the C&K ever illegal? It's only a felony because they're alleging it was part of some conspiracy to steal the election. But all the alleged illegal aspects occured after the election?
(iv) Michael Cohen is Trump's attorney and structured the deal. He could easily have structured this transaction legally. Why is Trump being charged criminally for Cohen's alleged incompetence? |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:10 PM Author: Glittery Unholy Forum lol@ any "lawyer" who even pretends to take these trials seriously. EPAH where u at? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47605983) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:28 PM Author: Passionate persian boltzmann Goddamn xo is low-IQ. The charge isn't "conspiracy to influence an election." That's the apparent *theme the prosecution is pursuing. And when the payments were clearly *arranged before the election, it's a pretty decent theory of the case.
How WiLL iT HolD UP on AppEaL If the ProSEcutIOn's Theme Is LoGICallY UnpERSuaSivE THo??? |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:29 PM Author: bespoke avocado kitchen people who are hurt Here's a question for you - what is the criminal charge then that raises the fraudulent document charges from a misdemeanor to a felony? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606018) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:33 PM Author: Passionate persian boltzmann So the "raising to a felony" is a slightly different matter. I'm not 100% sure what the associated felony their looking at is, but it's also not the felony of "election interference." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606022) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:38 PM Author: bespoke avocado kitchen people who are hurt So you're just a guy whose okay with a DA running on charging a political opponent, then charging the former president of the united states with a felony, even though you're not 100% sure what the felony is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606028) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:43 PM Author: Passionate persian boltzmann Well, *I'm* not sure what they are. But there are many lawyers on both sides who know the details of the facts and law better than me.
I suppose AB imagines that he's smarter and savvier with the law than all of the lawyers on Trump's side put together, and came up with a unique insight that will inevitably set the Orange Man free? |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 12:52 AM Author: bespoke avocado kitchen people who are hurt Why don't you educate yourself and then get back here, instead of just running your mouth based on your blind religious faith in...checks notes...the same people who told you it was impossible for COVID 19 to have escaped from the lab 2 blocks from the outbreak that was studying and manipulating coronaviruses? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606066) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 1:59 AM Author: Histrionic Bat-shit-crazy Main People Lmao jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606100) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:40 AM Author: Glittery Unholy Forum Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:43 PM Author: Emotionally + Physically Abusive Ex-Husband (oppose bitch bois)
Well, *I'm* not sure what they are. But there are many lawyers on both sides who know the details of the facts and law better than me.
I suppose AB imagines that he's smarter and savvier with the law than all of the lawyers on Trump's side put together, and came up with a unique insight that will inevitably set the Orange Man free?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606029) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 3:59 PM Author: Passionate persian boltzmann I’ll feel so embarrassed when the Appellate Division agrees with AB’s unimpeachable analysis and vacates the conviction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609525) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 1:03 AM Author: Crawly Stirring Area just delay the paid back bribe until after the election!
ONE | WEIRD | TRICK
disclaimer: i have not been paying attention to the charges or trial at all and have no idea what he's actually being charged with or how it all fits into NY law and am just assuming i'm right with the above mockery based on XO being genuinely fucking retarded in general |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 3:55 PM Author: Razzle Orange Hell no one is even discussing a bribe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609513) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 3:57 PM Author: lake well-lubricated business firm indirect expression A prostitute can be bribed in your mind? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609520) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 5:15 PM Author: amber indian lodge candlestick maker decent disclaimer, because your post really does highlight how you have no understanding of the case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609763) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:39 AM Author: Glittery Unholy Forum Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:28 PM Author: Emotionally + Physically Abusive Ex-Husband (oppose bitch bois)
Goddamn xo is low-IQ. The charge isn't "conspiracy to influence an election." That's the apparent *theme the prosecution is pursuing. And when the payments were clearly *arranged before the election, it's a pretty decent theory of the case.
How WiLL iT HolD UP on AppEaL If the ProSEcutIOn's Theme Is LoGICallY UnpERSuaSivE THo???
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606016) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 5:32 PM Author: excitant alcoholic yarmulke stage To be fair,
OK EPAH, please give us retarded mouth breathers the high IQ “I’m a real lawyer” take:
1 - 10, how legally sound do think this this case is against Trump? (1 is complete bullshit, 10 is ironclad slam dunk.)
Tyia. |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:10 AM Author: ruddy bat shit crazy box office Didn’t Trump run again in 2020 and wasn’t he expected to back in 2017? You can just as easily argue the entries were done to influence the 2020 election. But the nice thing for the prosecution is that part doesn’t matter since hes not being charged with influencing the election. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606273) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 8:18 PM Author: bespoke avocado kitchen people who are hurt "But the nice thing for the prosecution is that part doesn’t matter since hes not being charged with influencing the election."
But they do have to prove that it was done in furtherance of a crime to make it a felony.
Presumably at some point a judge is going to say that in order to raise it from a felony because it was in furtherance of a crime, the prosecution is going to have to specify a crime? |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 3:53 PM Author: Passionate persian boltzmann You seem to be forgetting what Trump said (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609503) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 3:54 PM Author: Big base jew we're aware Trump said pussy you old as fuck mormon weirdo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609508) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:14 AM Author: ruddy bat shit crazy box office Why are anti-vax guys like berensen pro-Trump when he’s very pro-vax (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606278) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:57 AM Author: Big base jew you are a mentally retarded jewish pedophile who suffers from severe TDS and internet addiction. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606339) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 8:29 PM Author: lake well-lubricated business firm indirect expression It's a binary decision and the alternative is 1000x worse. Was that really difficult for you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47607838) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:25 AM Author: gaped market (xo 2024 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606294) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:39 AM Author: Glittery Unholy Forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606305) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:48 AM Author: gaped market bro here's a good idea, agree to rob a bank, wait 2 years, statute of limitations has expired, then rob the bank, can't be charged with conspiracy bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606319) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:51 AM Author: racy philosopher-king ? if the robbery was part of the conspiracy then the conspiracy was still alive.
maybe you were being sarcastic in which case i apologize brother. |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:52 AM Author: gaped market BEEP BEEP BEEP Always a fucking pumo., |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 10:18 AM Author: Glittery Unholy Forum (Alex Berenson subscriber) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606355) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:47 AM Author: racy philosopher-king the two NY cases involve innovative, never-done-before, convoluted theories that just so happen to be drenched in the politics of partisan revenge. o wat a majestic rule of law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606317) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 10:16 AM Author: pea-brained den there's like one substantive, intelligent comment in this entire discussion, jfc how far this place has fallen
everything else is retards crying |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 10:19 AM Author: Glittery Unholy Forum Hey, why can't we all just have an intelligent discussion about the NY prosecutors' theory of the case? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606359) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 12:42 PM Author: Histrionic Bat-shit-crazy Main People Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606794) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 3:51 PM Author: Passionate persian boltzmann Thanks bud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609499) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 2:50 PM Author: ruddy bat shit crazy box office Assuming it is just a misdemeanor, and not a felony, is the only consequence length of jail time? Presumably he’ll at least be convicted for the misdemeanor offense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609361) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 3:13 PM Author: marvelous dingle berry I think they are beyond SOL on the misdemeanor, so it's felony or nothing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609392) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 3:30 PM Author: marvelous dingle berry First degree falsifying business records may be predicated on the falsification being intended either to further another crime or to conceal it. So they could prove an unlawful campaign contribution and that the falsification of the business record was done with the intent to conceal the campaign finance violation. However, it seems like they aren't even focusing on the campaign finance violation now, and are trying to say the predicate crime is conspiracy to promote or prevent election: "Any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means and which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more of the parties thereto, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor." I'm not sure how this theory works, but it seems circular. |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 3:54 PM Author: Razzle Orange Hell it doesn't, it is the end of the rule of law in ny and the beginning of the rule of lawless men (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609506) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 4:09 PM Author: Glittery Unholy Forum It makes sense if you think about it hard enough. Just keep at it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609539) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 5:11 PM Author: brindle federal internal respiration trump tried to prevent the election of biden by lying about payments made to his attorney while they were trying to promote the election of trump by doing the same thing this is at least two felonies |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 5:16 PM Author: ruddy bat shit crazy box office Trumpmos if paying hush money to influence an election isn’t a crime then why did the FEC send David Pecker a letter saying he committed a campaign finance violation which led to him entering into a non-prosecution agreement? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609766) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 5:33 PM Author: excitant alcoholic yarmulke stage To be fair,
Wow sounds like Drumpfth is truly fucked, how many years do you predict he’ll end up spending in a NY prison cell? |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 5:44 PM Author: aromatic fantasy-prone french chef bbw Because he didn't want to bet his freedom on his ability to prove this in a court of law against an adversary with unlimited resources who literally campaigned on nailing his co-defendant? People sign non-prosecution agreements when they haven't actually committed a crime, stupido. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609853) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 8:49 PM Author: bespoke avocado kitchen people who are hurt This is the most evil and repugnant line of thinking that people advance on issue like this.
Look what they did to Michael Cohen. They basically walked over attorney client privilege, went hunting for a crime, found mortgage application he lied on (even though he paid the loan in full - seem familiar?).
Then they saw his wife signed the mortgage application, so they go to him and say "plead guilty to the campaign finance charges or we'll throw your wife in jail."
And then these evil, corrupt people point to this and say "Clearly it was an illegal campaign finance contribution Michael Cohen plead guilty to it!"
It's moral corruption at the highest level. |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 10:30 PM Author: Passionate persian boltzmann tdnwcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47610373) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 8:15 AM Author: gaped market Yes prosecutors are always right (pumo) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47610762) |