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Date: January 22nd, 2007 11:55 PM Author: deranged principal's office Very incomplete, but what the hell.
http://www.autoadmit.com/lawfirms/
Once work is completed this will be migrated over to lawfirmdiscussion.com (that URL doesn't work yet). The data will also be mirrored on summerassociate.com once we get the rest of that site up and running (which will probably be a while).
The message boards links will eventually go to the xo lawyer board.
And yes, I know about the FireFox bug on the chart pages. Don't know how to fix it, but I'll have rachmiel look at it when he has the chance (or if anyone here knows the solution feel free to mention it).
Also, feel free to give suggestions for replacements for Jesus and Big Changes (or vote to keep them if you want). |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:05 AM Author: bossy space main people Looks pretty good. I'll be interested to see the board. I'm afraid it may turn into a double of this board, though. Over a length of time that may change given the title, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470817) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:07 AM Author: Trip Duck-like Brunch so there will be a separate lawyer board entirely or just a link up top here like undergrad, grad, law, lawyer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470839) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:07 AM Author: deranged principal's office It would be a double of this board. Just without the non-law firm content. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470840) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:17 AM Author: Trip Duck-like Brunch do you mean that that the racist, sexist and ridiculous stuff will all go away? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470904) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:22 AM Author: deranged principal's office Yeah.
Or maybe we'd implement a more extreme form of the optional moderation on that mirror (e.g. to view the unmoderated version you'd have to login and select an option from a preferences menu, rather than just clicking a link once and getting cookies enabled).
Basically I think that site would be more of a "work-safe" board for lawyers. Everyone else (as well as lawyers who don't give a shit about reading xo itself from work) can just continue to post on this board (all the content from the other board would end up here too so it's not like anyone would miss out on anything by staying here and not posting through the other site).
Please correct me if you think I'm missing some important issue with this plan though. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:38 AM Author: Trip Duck-like Brunch Perhaps making the system "less" google-able will decrease the possibility of outtings actually mattering.
All that stuff yesterday with that smear campaign against that poster and emailing his employer and stuff could be pretty nasty in a lawyer only context... |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 1:11 AM Author: peach elite sound barrier I already told this to GTO. He's keeping them because he wants the Google hits, which means a yacht upgrade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7471230) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 9:06 AM Author: Free-loading old irish cottage mediation At this point, it looks like it has a lot of potential. I would add a few more markets on there. It seems you only list Boston, Chicago,DC and NY. I would add San Francisco, Minneapolis, and probably a few others to make it useful across the board. But it looks great. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7472234) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 4:49 AM Author: deranged principal's office Yeah there are definitely going to be more markets added -- just that 1) right now I'm just trying to get *something* up there and NY information is pretty easy to get and 2) information for non-NY markets is surprisingly difficult to obtain -- while Greedy has decent charts for NY (though even those are surprisingly incomplete), it seems like any meaningful info for non-NY markets is either very hard to find or not out there at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477334) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 9:44 AM Author: Claret market boiling water I think the salary charts should be sortable--i.e. the ability to sort by name, compensation for a particular year, etc.
I think it is unnecessary to highlight above market and below market firms on the list, especially since you seem to be planning separate pages for such firms. This is even more unnecessary if you give the option to sort the lists.
I do think you need to change the images. The Jesus could be changed to some sort of generic lawyerish image like a gavel, a courthouse, or whatever. I don't know about the big changes picture. Maybe it could be an ad?
I know you want "synergy" and google rank boosting, so have included the third column with partners and friends. Realistically, however, I don't think this would get much use from real persons. For that reason, it takes up a very disproportionate amount of space. Perhaps the links could be at the bottom or in a drop down box somewhere.
Once you get farther along, I hope you make liberal use of cross-references. For example, I should be able to click on STB's name in the compensation list to go to their profile. From their profile, there should be a link to see articles related to them and another link to search the forum for related threads. Likewise, the profile should aggregate statistics from the hiring site (summerassociate.com) for quick and easy reference and summerassociate.com should have links to the relevant firm profiles. Etc., etc., etc.
"Law firm articles" could perhaps be renamed "law firm news" and could be THE source for breaking law firm news. Thus when xoxo breaks news, selected moderators could post it to the law firm news website--thus giving a reputable place for MSM sources to credit (since they don't like citing xoxo--as evidenced by this stb/lat stuff).
I've previously given suggestions about summerassociate.com in another thread. I think you said you will be making it more like lsn. this is critical. Without the ability to update information, it is pretty useless.
Other than that, I think the general layout is fine. I think that is mainly what you're looking for right now, right? I would try to make it a little more customized, perhaps using a logo or stylized text for the website title (or giving it some sort of name besides "Law Firm Discussion"). Right now, it's so generic. It's just an out-of-the-box website template. Reminds me of all those google-bombing typosquatting websites. (like http://www.gmaail.com/ )
Finally, I'm not sure that a "lawyers only" board will work, or will solve the problems of xoxo. |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 4:48 AM Author: deranged principal's office Great ideas, and a lot of that stuff is definitely going to be implemented. Definitely going to have the firm names on the charts lead to profiles and a whole lot of other cross-references. Most of this stuff will be integrated with summerassociate.com also (actually the original plan was to have most of this be exclusively on summer associate, but since people seem to want a "lawyer" site that idea has gone out the window).
I like your law firm news idea -- going to have to think a lot about how to best implement that though. Right now my goal is to just get *something* up so it doesn't just linger. Maybe set it up as a blog (with lots of contributors) or something? |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:13 AM Author: Claret market boiling water I think a blog would serve the needs perfectly. That seems to be the hot thing on teh interwebs these days. Using tags, you can easily make links to posts on partitcular topics/firms/etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477417) |
Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:01 AM Author: deranged principal's office Come on guys, post some feedback so I don't have to sticky this for the next week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470791) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:04 AM Author: Racy Box Office I fucking LOVE the SS Big Changes. That's what it is, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470809) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:10 AM Author: deranged principal's office Yup. Just there as a placeholder though, unless people want it to stick around. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470851) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:12 AM Author: Racy Box Office You should put something like this:
http://www.motoryachtanteva.com/images/fwimages/MainYacht.jpg
http://www.bahama-power-yacht-charters.com/image/goodtimes_front.jpg |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:14 AM Author: umber overrated personal credit line the first would be perfect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477418) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:04 AM Author: Pontificating yarmulke business firm cool except when teh salary chart extends into the grey area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470812) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:11 AM Author: deranged principal's office Yeah, that's the FireFox bug I was referring to, except it seems to be a problem for newer versions of IE too. No clue what's causing it but I'm sure rachmiel will figure it out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470858) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:07 AM Author: Arousing temple goyim Fucking die already. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470834) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:07 AM Author: Racy Box Office agree
EDIT: THIS Was not supposed to go here. It is in reply to the salary chart running into the grey post. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:10 AM Author: bossy space main people LOLZ! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470850) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:13 AM Author: deranged principal's office Looks like the posting bug hit again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470867) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:13 AM Author: Pontificating yarmulke business firm ZOMG! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470868) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:15 AM Author: opaque hospital Looks good; what will be the content for "law firm profiles"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470884) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:24 AM Author: deranged principal's office Right now I'm envisioning all the compensation / NALP / Amlaw data, plus stuff like links to notable threads, mentions of important past events (e.g. Shearman's associate firings, Davis Polk's year with no bonus, etc.), an RSS feed of Google News for the firm, etc.
Is there anything else you think should be there? |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 1:11 PM Author: Claret market boiling water - aggregation of summerassociate.com data for that firm - summer class composition info - relevant links (to firm website, to vault profile page, nalp page, etc) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 4:51 AM Author: deranged principal's office Definitely going to have that all.
The big question: should everything be on one page, or should it be broken down on separate pages (e.g. the summer associate demographic data)? Because I can see these pages becoming very very big (like NALP directory pages, or even longer) if everything is one page. Maybe people wouldn't care if that was the case, but I figure some feedback on the issue would be nice before I start to actually design the thing. |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:15 AM Author: umber overrated personal credit line one page one page one page (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477419) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:18 AM Author: Claret market boiling water I think ideally there would be a SINGLE page for each firm (including all of its offices) and you could drill down for more info. So on the profile page, there'd be a box summarizing summer associate demographics for the most recent year (maybe just listing the top feeder schools and total class size, whatever). Then there'd also be a link for a pop-up window or whatever for "More Detail..." where you could see historical data, filter by office, etc.
Obviously this is a lot of work and is more complicated (and also more difficult to maintain if you're using traditional HTML design). But I think it would be great to have a one-stop page for each firm so people don't have to go through a bunch of pages for different details, but detailed sub-pages for those who want particulars. |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:33 AM Author: deranged principal's office Thanks, I'll give that a shot. Yeah, traditional HTML is limiting... but rachmiel is busy and I don't know php, so I figure I'll just get something up there and then rachmiel or someone else can convert it to php once there's a base to build off of.
What about the chart pages? Are they structured well as-is, or are they annoying to navigate because of the different pages? |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:34 AM Author: peach elite sound barrier Why don't you learn php? It's not that hard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477434) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:36 AM Author: deranged principal's office Not worth it given that I don't really have the time to learn and I'm going to be starting biglaw in September. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477437) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 7:33 AM Author: deranged principal's office What about salary information? Should that be repeated on the firm profile page (but w/ all class years in the same table) or should it just contain links to the charts that have all the firms on them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477475) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 7:37 AM Author: umber overrated personal credit line repeat it. it can be annoying to have to find the info on the charts. plus, as it is now, the charts are broken up, which just means more clicking and going back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477481) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 7:54 AM Author: Claret market boiling water I agree, repeat it.
The firm profile page should be a "one stop shop." |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 4:53 AM Author: deranged principal's office Also should each office have its own profile page, or just the one firm profile page? If stuff is broken down (e.g. summer associate stuff on a separate page) should that be broken down at the firm level or at the office level? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477344) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:16 AM Author: umber overrated personal credit line office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477420) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:35 AM Author: deranged principal's office Why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477436) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:41 AM Author: umber overrated personal credit line i don't know whether each office should have its own page, but definitely break summer stuff etc down by office. unless the firms have the same stats across the board. which i'm pretty sure they probably don't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477440) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:42 AM Author: deranged principal's office Oh yeah it would be broken down by office whenever possible. Just a design question of whether each office would get a separate page or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477442) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 9:38 AM Author: Claret market boiling water I think BOTH: a single page with general stuff about the overall firm and tidbits about the different offices, and links to detailed "subpages" on each office. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477606) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:59 AM Author: deranged principal's office Oh, and also the summer associate demographics and other stuff like that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7471158) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:19 AM Author: flesh exciting ratface Make JEEBUS bigger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470913) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:31 AM Author: deranged principal's office Interesting idea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470994) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 12:23 AM Author: sinister potus base Cool. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7470936) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 1:04 AM Author: contagious pink forum party of the first part bad idea.
xoxo gets dismissed because it is simply a bunch of law students.
if a board of lawyers chatting was as bad as xoxo it really WOULD make 60 minutes in no time. ABA investigation. and more. |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 1:08 AM Author: bossy space main people This may be the case, but I've seen some pretty bad stuff on GA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7471212) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 1:09 AM Author: deranged principal's office Yeah, GA is almost as bad as here, and that's with active moderation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7471219) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 1:17 AM Author: bossy space main people Plus, if a law firm site was actually frequented by *just practicing attorneys* it would be a little toned down compared to the rampant high schoolers/college students here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7471264) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 1:07 AM Author: Jet-lagged fragrant telephone resort can you get me a job at stroock rio? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7471203) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 2:14 AM Author: deranged principal's office Any opinions on profile layout? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7471587) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 2:17 AM Author: galvanic brass church building jewess way to use hoffman's pic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7471605) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 9:13 AM Author: brilliant coffee pot Let me know when your organization needs outside counsel. I want you to be my first client. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7472251) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2007 10:01 AM Author: cordovan spectacular kitchen don't forget to include firms of 40 or more in south florida and the florida keys! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7472348) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:24 AM Author: umber overrated personal credit line you should turn summerassociate.com into the lsn format or something close to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477423) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:34 AM Author: deranged principal's office We have other things planned for summerassociate.com. Also I really don't think an LSN format will be practical given how different the processes are. However we might do a modified version of things (profiles to store basic info so people don't need to keep inputting it, but the same basic display format). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477433) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:45 AM Author: umber overrated personal credit line how bout a search feature that would divide 1Ls from 2Ls, search by school maybe? rank? i don't know...then the results page would have the user, their school, their gpa, their rank, and from there the ability to go to individual user profiles. something like that would be super. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477446) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:47 AM Author: deranged principal's office I don't think you realize just how easy it is to out someone based on having "users" listed. That's the critical reason why a pure LSN format wouldn't work (in addition to the fact that it would be far more time intensive than an LSN profile ever would be) in this context. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477448) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:55 AM Author: umber overrated personal credit line ooh that's a good point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477457) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 6:57 AM Author: deranged principal's office Yeah... that's why we used the grad cafe code for this instead of just porting over PRstats/LSN. We'll probably let people create "usernames" so they won't have to manually repeat the same information whenever they post a result (school, grades, etc. would be saved) as well as implement other tweaks like improved searching, but actually posting usernames would probably just cause people to not report results out of fear. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477460) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 7:18 AM Author: umber overrated personal credit line the stuff i mentioned would be great even without usernames, but it'd still be easyish to out people from your own school/firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477472) |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 8:30 AM Author: deranged principal's office Very very rough draft that's still incomplete:
http://www.autoadmit.com/lawfirms/profiles/skaddenarps.html
EDIT: The page is obviously going to get very very big, so the links on the left will be clickable so you can scroll down to the relevant part of the page. |
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Date: January 24th, 2007 9:39 AM Author: Claret market boiling water visual representation of information, my friend. I think charts, graphs, and tables will be nice. And multiple columns to make better use of space! (this would be easier if you got rid of the third column with affiliate links) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=568309&forum_id=2#7477609) |