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More prestigious: HLS JD or Harvard Econ PhD?
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Date: March 1st, 2008 11:49 AM Author: Fragrant Stage Subject: which is more prestigious So I have a friend who is currently a PhD student in Econ at Harvard. He doesn't give any respect to HLS JD students because he says "it's easy to get in" compared to phd programs.
I don't really know much about phd admissions, but how hard is it to actually get into a program like Harvard for your econ phd? And how does the lay prestige compare between the two programs? I would actually think the HLS JD would be more lay prestigious, but I dunno.
And FWIW, without outing my friend, he has some pretty ridiculous softs, had a perfect GPA in undergrad, tests very well, and could probably have gotten into HLS easily if not YLS. |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 11:56 AM Author: haunting depressive Subject: More prestigious Not being a striver (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410184) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 12:06 PM Author: Stirring misanthropic newt coldplay fan econ is more prestigious, not because it's harder to get into (which is true), but because law school is intellectually vacant bullshit, whereas econ grad school is intellectually enriching bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410207) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 12:13 PM Author: Tan well-lubricated sanctuary mad cow disease I think the selectivity axis of prestige is a wash. There are way more law applicants than econ PhD applicants which makes the size of the program mean less. it also makes getting a high-enough LSAT score more difficult (it's easier to be in the top 670 (HLS 550 + YLS 120) when there are fewer applicants).
I think the recognition axis favors HLS. The LSAT measures cognitive ability, not knowledge, so it tells you more about the person - quite a bit more - than whether they ever bothered to look "truculent" up. A solid LS app pretty much means you're kind of a genius. A solid grad school app pretty much means you're good at the academic game, you memorized some vocab, and your profs like you (subjective recommendations are far more important here).
The accomplishment axis definitely favors the PhD. They do a lot more substantive work, a lot less masturbatory posturing, and they do it for longer. This is doubly true now that the HLS capstone paper has been abolished. |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 12:16 PM Author: Carmine rough-skinned nursing home voyeur absolutely credited.
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Date: March 1st, 2008 12:45 PM Author: Stirring misanthropic newt coldplay fan wait, the capstone paper has been abolished? DESCRIBE the new requirements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410299) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 12:59 PM Author: Mildly autistic onyx crackhouse background story you're a fucking idiot
H Econ PhDs would rape the LSAT
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 12:06 PM Author: frum carnelian school pozpig Correct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9415463) |
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Date: March 25th, 2008 6:20 PM Author: Tan well-lubricated sanctuary mad cow disease Link to LSAT scores of a random sampling of H Econ PhDs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9530506) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:03 PM Author: dashing lemon office place of business HLS (unofficially) admits you if you have admission to Harvard Econ PhD, so selectivity wise it's unlikely that HLS selectivity is equal to Harvard Econ PhD. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410363) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:10 PM Author: Stirring misanthropic newt coldplay fan I gather that HLS is kind of a joke amongst Harvard grad students in substantive disciplines. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410392) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:13 PM Author: Mildly autistic onyx crackhouse background story HLS is a factory for smart kids who couldn't get jobs out of UG. H Math/Physics/Philosophy is for academic superstars.
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:24 PM Author: dashing lemon office place of business philosophy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410455) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:25 PM Author: Mildly autistic onyx crackhouse background story Philosophy is absurdly underrated.
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:26 PM Author: dashing lemon office place of business if so, it is also underrated by prospective grad students. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410462) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:51 PM Author: Arousing flesh heaven Math, physics, and philosophy are for people who want to be poor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410561) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:57 PM Author: Mildly autistic onyx crackhouse background story needing a salary is TTT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410584) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:58 PM Author: Arousing flesh heaven We know. You're a billionaire. You swim in a pool of gold doubloons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410594) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 2:00 PM Author: Mildly autistic onyx crackhouse background story sorry you have student loans and actually need a job bro
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Date: March 1st, 2008 2:04 PM Author: trip big-titted theatre alpha while needing a salary is TTT, being a Math PhD screams socially retarded nerd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410620) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:15 PM Author: shaky church HLS might be a joke among physics grad students, but the law students will still make far more money and get far more respect than most of the physicists out in the real world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410405) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:17 PM Author: Stirring misanthropic newt coldplay fan Absolutely true, but I don't think the physics grad student give a lick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410417) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:21 PM Author: shaky church Probably true, but it's not like law students (non academia-worshiping tools, at least) could less what other grad students in "substantive" fields think of them either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410441) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:38 PM Author: Blue adventurous locus Subject: Harvard Math PhD Harvard Math PhDs gets job in Hedge Funds with starting salary over $300,000 with 50 % bonus.. |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:52 PM Author: Arousing flesh heaven And the rest get $50,000 at Bumblefuck State College. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410568) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:38 PM Author: sable bespoke address partner "HLS is kind of a joke amongst Harvard grad students in substantive disciplines."
Or they're jealous that the HLS grads will be make 4 times as much upon graduation. |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:13 PM Author: shaky church I would have more respect for a Harvard econ PhD/JD joint candidate than for the average HLS student, since many law students here are almost illiterate about economics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410397) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:01 PM Author: charcoal irradiated theater stage What year is your friend? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410355) |
Date: March 1st, 2008 12:15 PM Author: cream point legal warrant Chicago Econ PhD (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410224) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:05 PM Author: dashing lemon office place of business Chicago Econ (the PhD program) is not as selective as the Econ PhD programs of: Stanford GSB, MIT, Harvard, HBS, Princeton, Stanford, and maybe Chicago GSB. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 9:29 AM Author: Razzmatazz ceo son of senegal True, However, getting through the Chicago Econ PhD program is perhaps the most impressive accomplishment in American Higher Education. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9415235) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 10:30 AM Author: dashing lemon office place of business ? if that was the case, we'd expect Chicago PhDs to have better job market outcomes than they do right now. if you're referring to the first-year sequence, then Chicago does weed out more students than the other programs, but that's not the hard part of a PhD anyway.
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Date: March 1st, 2008 12:17 PM Author: Splenetic poppy university h econ phd. not even close.
not sure about yls vs y econ phd? |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 12:20 PM Author: passionate bipolar meetinghouse JD, no question.
You dipshits conflate difficulty and prestige. Economists aren't prestigious. No one respects them. No one looks up to them. No one makes movies about them. And economists have no meaningful amount social power. |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 12:29 PM Author: Tan well-lubricated sanctuary mad cow disease This is kind of credited. At both ends of the scale (SCOTUS justice vs. Fed Chairman, DA vs. postdoc-purgatory-research-monkey), the JD people pretty much pwn the economists.
Economists only get prestige from people who like economists. Nobody likes lawyers. Lawyers don't have to rely on being liked. |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 12:42 PM Author: haunting depressive Greenspan > SCOTUS justice
Especially in a judicially conservative era, the Court doesnt make a lot of societal changes. Fags can legally fuck each other. CA people cant legally get medical marijuana. Big deal. One justice sure as hell doesnt change society. Greenspan had the country on a string.
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:00 PM Author: Mildly autistic onyx crackhouse background story Greenspan was a TTT Ayn Rand cultist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410349) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:13 PM Author: haunting depressive like him or hate him, he had a hell of a lot more power than a scotus justice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410398) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 7:25 PM Author: Tan well-lubricated sanctuary mad cow disease Power isn't prestige. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9412801) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 10:37 AM Author: haunting depressive its a big part of it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9415300) |
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Date: March 25th, 2008 6:22 PM Author: Tan well-lubricated sanctuary mad cow disease Not really (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9530513) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:09 PM Author: shaky church I would rather be Fed Chairman than SCOTUS justice. It seems like a more interesting a varried job, with even more interesting exit options (advising the top firms in the world, using everything you've learned to make huge amounts of money).
Obviously for people intellectually interested in the law, SCOTUS justice would be more fun, and it is probably a more powerful position with more lay prestige. |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:14 PM Author: haunting depressive no way in hell one scotus justice had more power than greenspan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410400) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:19 PM Author: shaky church Greenspan, maybe not, but you could certainly make the argument that Bernanke in reality has a lot less power than he officially does, and basically does whatever Wall St. wants him to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410426) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:25 PM Author: haunting depressive Bernanke has been a little bitch so far. But he could stop being a bitch and have tremendous power.
Thomas, for example, has been a little bitch for his whole tenure. If he wakes up tomorrow and decides to be a man it doesnt matter b/c there are 8 other justices that will drown him out. |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:40 PM Author: shaky church Could be, but Roberts is undeniably powerful. And if McCain wins and appoints another justice more conservative than Kennedy, Roberts would arguably be in a position to have more influence on American law than anyone since the days of the Warren Court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9410517) |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 1:47 PM Author: haunting depressive Yeah, but Roberts is judicially conservative so any huge impact will be a lack of impact. He's not going to be inventing new constitutional rights And even that is just the combined effect of at least 4 other justices.
Even for all the 'activism' of the Warren Court, there was very little it did that would not have been done through legislation. And what was done was the work of the Court as a whole, not Warren, not Brennan, not any one person. |
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Date: March 1st, 2008 7:32 PM Author: Tan well-lubricated sanctuary mad cow disease Idiots. This is not a thread about which you'd rather be, or a thread about which has more power. It's a thread about prestige.
Supreme Court rulings are almost utterly unquestioned and take a supermajority of the entire country to overrule. The Supreme Court has so much clout that even when an insanely popular president wants to mess with the Court to get an insanely popular platform through (FDR), he gets booed from all corners of the country.
Every two-bit undergrad junior second-guesses moves made by the Fed Chairman, and he reports to Congress. There's nothing prestigious about having to report to Congress. The Fed Chair is NOT prestigious. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 10:40 AM Author: haunting depressive You seem confused.
USSC rulings are always questioned, have you ever been to a law school class? Obviously questioning it doesnt do a damn bit of good.
But thats the same as the Fed Chair. Talking heads bitch about interest rates but it doesnt change the fact that theyre changed.
Most importantly, you're comparing the "clout" of the Court as a whole vs. the Fed Chair. Thats not the comparison. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 11:24 AM Author: Tan well-lubricated sanctuary mad cow disease Your post is nonsensical. Reread it. Then reread mine above. Then reread yours again. See where you're wrong? kthxbai (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9415345) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2008 11:40 AM Author: haunting depressive if you dont understand that prestige comes from power im not sure if there's hope for you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9415385) |
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Date: March 25th, 2008 6:25 PM Author: Tan well-lubricated sanctuary mad cow disease Prestige doesn't come from power. It comes from respect. SCOTUS is right by virtue of declaring it so. Fed tweaks variables in a complex system nobody *really* understands. HTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=776444&forum_id=2#9530524) |