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Comparing Utah and Wisconsin (college football)
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Date: October 27th, 2004 11:51 AM Author: transparent vigorous codepig Utah:
@Arizona -- W 23-6 UNLV -- W 63-28
Wisconsin:
@Arizona -- W 9-7 UNLV -- W 18-3 |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 12:50 PM Author: white twisted messiness That doesn't mean anything. First, Wisconsin played those games at the start of the season (games 2 and 3) when they were missing some of their most important offensive players. If you saw the games, you'd know that Wisconsin's defense really stuffed the other teams.
Utah played UNLV last weekend - when the offense was in full swing. They gave up a lot to UNLV. Wisconsin's defense shut down those two teams. Utah can't say the same.
Utah is a good team, but I bet that Wisconsin would be able to shut down the Utah offense, too. Scoring points isn't the most important thing in football. If you never give up points, you won't ever lose. Utah is more vulnerable defensively. |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 12:52 PM Author: transparent vigorous codepig "That doesn't mean anything."
It doesn't mean everything, but it certainly means something, which is why the Utes are currently doing so well in the computer rankings. |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 1:18 PM Author: white twisted messiness Right now, Utah gets a bit of a boost in the computers and Strength of Schedule. I don't expect Wisconsin to finish undefeated. I do expect Utah to finish undefeated - it's competition really sucks. There's too much of an emphasis on lack of losses.
People figure that Utah's schedule is better because Texas A&M turned out not to be so shitty - and pulled a few more wins than people expected. Of course, it was the first game of the season - so I don't think that it should count so much. Utah benefits from the fact that the teams in its conference play such weak schedules so that their W-L make them look better tha nthey are. |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 1:57 PM Author: charismatic overrated senate generalized bond Correct on both accounts. No way Utah goes undefeated in a major conference and wisco will lose to Iowa in Iowa City on Nov 20. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1556153) |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 2:15 PM Author: Burgundy Hideous Giraffe Not so sure on Iowa-Wisconsin.
I give Wisconsin maybe 60-40 odds of finishing undefeated. I think MSU could also possibly present a barrier. |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 1:54 PM Author: Burgundy Hideous Giraffe No, it doesn't mean ANYTHING. None of the computer rankings take into account margin of victory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1556140) |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 1:57 PM Author: transparent vigorous codepig It's not an all or nothing thing. You are really being simplistic if you think that this has no effect. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1556151) |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 1:58 PM Author: Burgundy Hideous Giraffe On the COMPUTER rankings? No, it doesn't. It's actually a rule. The computer formulae aren't allowed to take into account margin of victory.
To quote you above: "It doesn't mean everything, but it certainly means something, which is why the Utes are currently doing so well in the computer rankings."
See, for instance: http://maps.signonsandiego.com/sports/college_football/20020626-9999_1s26bcs.html |
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Date: October 28th, 2004 11:04 AM Author: Burgundy Hideous Giraffe Just thought I'd reiterate here how margin of victory means nothing to the computers, as shown above. Still waiting for your comment on that, Mr. "Simplistic." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1560703) |
Date: October 27th, 2004 12:45 PM Author: swashbuckling bronze quadroon Wisconsin is still superior. And non-Mormon! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1555899) |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 2:44 PM Author: concupiscible cheese-eating shrine University of Utah is the least Mormon college in Utah. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1556328) |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 5:24 PM Author: swashbuckling bronze quadroon That's not saying much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1557193) |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 5:27 PM Author: Trip Dull Brunch I've been to U of U several times because my brother goes there. The smaller Mormon proportion has an easily noticable influence on the character of the campus, particularly when compared to places like BYU, Utah Valley State College, and Utah State. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1557210) |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 1:47 PM Author: charismatic overrated senate generalized bond If utah had to play a Big Ten schedule, it would be lucky to go 5 - 3. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1556114) |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 1:50 PM Author: transparent vigorous codepig Wisconsin's Big 10 schedule:
Penn State Illinois @Ohio State @Purdue Northwestern Minnesota @Michigan State @Iowa TBA
I bet that Utah goes at least 6-2 with this schedule, maybe 8-0. Probably 7-1. |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 1:52 PM Author: charismatic overrated senate generalized bond Would lose to Purdue and Iowa. Minnesota is a toss-up. OSU is having a terrible year but they would normally crush utah. If Mich were on the sked, utah would lose to them, too.
There are no BCS busters. If Utah (or any of the other "mid-major" schools) played a big 10, big 12, acc, or sec schedule, they wouldn't have a chance at going undefeated. Even if they were in the Pac-10 they would lose to USC and Cal. |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 5:28 PM Author: Pearly Flirting Address Pervert They wouldn't lose to Iowa, they've had an underwhelming year thus far. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1557214) |
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Date: October 28th, 2004 1:59 AM Author: charismatic overrated senate generalized bond they only have one big ten loss, and ferentz's team are known to dramatically improve as the season progresses. iowa will win 8 or 9 games this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1559816) |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 1:56 PM Author: Burgundy Hideous Giraffe I could see either 6-2 or 5-3, possibly 7-1 if they got lucky against both Iowa and Minnesota. If they'd played MSU late in the season (as Wisconsin will have to do) I think that could also be trouble for Utah.
But mostly, I really doubt Utah could beat Purdue.
In any case, one loss on that schedule (which you admit would most likely happen) and they're out of the race. |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 2:24 PM Author: Odious public bath halford first of all margin of victory don't mean a damn thing, wisconson's a defense oriented conservative team, of course they're not going to put up a shit load of points against teams
That said, I think Utah's better than Wisonson, I think in a one game showdown, Utah would beat them
I don't think Utah go through the Big Ten unbeaten either, but they're a damn good team, and remember Wisconson hasn't gone through the conference unbeaten yet either |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 2:27 PM Author: transparent vigorous codepig Margin means something. Wisconsin may be a ball control team, but they were a late, easy missed FG away from losing at Arizona.
Besides, Utah rushed it 46 times against UNLV. |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 2:30 PM Author: Odious public bath halford means something, not much though
Wisconson's not gonna put up 60 on anyone, that doesn't mean a whole lot though |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 2:32 PM Author: transparent vigorous codepig Utah rushed 46 times against UNLV and passed 22 times.
Wisconsin rushed 44 times against UNLV and passed 24 times. |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 2:35 PM Author: Odious public bath halford so?
Nebraska used to do nothing but rush the ball and they'd put up 60, they weren't overally conservative
Wisconson's just not a big scoring offense
how many of those runs were up the middle for Utah, how many were up the middle for wisconson? they're just different offenses with different goals |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 2:41 PM Author: transparent vigorous codepig Point being that Utah's offense accomplished its goals against AZ and UNLV's. Wisconsin did not (11/18 points against UNLV came from their d). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1556317) |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 2:49 PM Author: Odious public bath halford first of all, I agreed that Utah is a better team
second of all, even if they have a better offense that doesn't mean their a better team, Wisconson is a defensive team, for all we know they're d would shuit down Utah, it shut down Purdue, who had a pretty good offense too, a better offense than Wisconson did for sure |
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Date: October 28th, 2004 10:40 AM Author: swashbuckling bronze quadroon I really like how you can't spell Wisconsin. It is a little challenging. ;) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1560637) |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 5:27 PM Author: Thirsty Son Of Senegal Corner Thu. Sep. 2 7:30 p.m. ET at Utah 21-41 L Recap | Box Sat. Sep. 11 3:30 p.m. ET Wyoming 31-0 W Recap | Box Sat. Sep. 18 7:00 p.m. ET Clemson 27-6 W Recap | Box Sat. Oct. 2 7:00 p.m. ET Kansas St. 42-30 W Recap | Box Sat. Oct. 9 7:00 p.m. ET at Iowa St. 34-3 W Recap | Box Sat. Oct. 16 7:00 p.m. ET at Oklahoma St. 36-20 W Recap | Box Sat. Oct. 23 1:30 p.m. ET Colorado 29-26 W Recap | Box |
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Date: October 27th, 2004 5:35 PM Author: galvanic boiling water plaza I'll watch a Wisconsin game if I want to fall asleep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1557248) |
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Date: October 28th, 2004 1:38 AM Author: Burgundy Hideous Giraffe bump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1559702) |
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Date: October 28th, 2004 1:51 AM Author: Canary home Wisconsin played Arizona in a Monsoon. They had a 45 minute weather delay. Those games are not comparable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1559772) |
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Date: October 28th, 2004 3:59 PM Author: Burgundy Hideous Giraffe Good point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1562056) |
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Date: October 28th, 2004 4:05 PM Author: Lake Bateful Wrinkle I went to BYU for undergrad so i feel its my duty to root against Utah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=99623&forum_id=2#1562085) |