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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
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Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

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just walk outside bro

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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

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Date: January 12th, 2026 6:44 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: January 14th, 2026 6:47 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: January 20th, 2026 7:47 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:08 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:38 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: May 13th, 2026 7:20 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: May 19th, 2026 8:56 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: May 21st, 2026 5:25 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: May 25th, 2026 6:16 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: May 26th, 2026 8:51 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: May 28th, 2026 5:55 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: June 3rd, 2026 5:16 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: July 7th, 2026 11:56 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: July 8th, 2026 7:24 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: July 9th, 2026 10:50 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: July 12th, 2026 8:27 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: July 12th, 2026 11:04 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: July 12th, 2026 11:18 PM
Author: gay beady-eyed space

Nigga WTF do you know about this? Why are you so fucking obsessed with whites?

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Date: July 12th, 2026 11:21 PM
Author: Self-centered temple

cumskins dont make trillions of threads about asians though for sure

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Date: July 13th, 2026 5:50 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: July 19th, 2026 9:36 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: August 4th, 2026 9:58 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: August 5th, 2026 5:46 PM
Author: Self-centered temple



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Date: August 10th, 2026 9:45 PM
Author: nyuug



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Date: August 12th, 2026 11:22 PM
Author: nyuug



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Mahogany indecent hell

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Awkward shitlib point

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Mahogany indecent hell

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Awkward shitlib point

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Mahogany indecent hell

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Odious blood rage

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Scarlet gas station



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Magical shimmering fanboi halford



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: Arousing turquoise juggernaut messiness

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: trip buff lay

cq

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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: irradiated yarmulke parlor

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Odious blood rage

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
Author: Concupiscible Emerald Field



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: nubile brunch brethren

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: Iridescent kink-friendly market haunted graveyard

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: Laughsome range

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: self-absorbed alcoholic national fat ankles

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: Carmine goal in life coldplay fan

it was a nanny state.

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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: self-absorbed alcoholic national fat ankles

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: Laughsome range

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#49518563)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: floppy sanctuary quadroon

13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails

you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids

https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: floppy sanctuary quadroon

"Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#49838410)