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NYT Advice Column: "My Son’s Racist Views Are Destroying Our Family"

www.nytimes.com/2026/08/13/well/mind/racism-family-relations...
drunken home
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XO Son
Boyish stage
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Boomer Godhead
frozen casino mental disorder
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China is Engineering things while we obsess over liberal art...
Sepia Crotch
  08/17/26
You voted for this with each and every Youtube click
provocative clown property
  08/17/26
go back to LinkedIn, Rajeet
insane mexican
  08/17/26
100% of Chinese are unapologetically racist too. 180 people....
gold station new version
  08/17/26
We need to end democracy and journalism and liberal arts. An...
Sepia Crotch
  08/17/26
Everyone hates blacks — especially themselves . It&rsq...
jet zombie-like den
  08/17/26
blacks who make it to age 30 without going to prison are som...
Swollen Floppy Corner
  08/17/26
The "Talented Tenth" is legit for a reason.
Underhanded bateful mediation
  08/17/26
It's the Tall Tenth. Like 10% of guys are Tall imo.
cowgod
  08/17/26
they are NOT racist in the butthurt way US birdshits are, th...
Lemon Crackhouse Gaping
  08/17/26
Because it’s a homogenous society, dipshit The seco...
jet zombie-like den
  08/17/26
it's a bit strange this notion of a "commie upbringing&...
Charismatic autistic codepig church
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like all jeets, Tommy is full of shit and has immense racial...
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jag
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i never in a million years would have guessed you are chines...
Swollen Floppy Corner
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My daughter is married to a Black man tp
Swollen Floppy Corner
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proud girldad
Chartreuse native
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Lori Gottlieb huh
abusive aphrodisiac university cuckold
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i’m not making a claim to absolute morality, but are l...
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(Brabantio)
Brass mad cow disease coffee pot
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Oh what a surprise, (((Lori Gottlieb))) suggests ostracizing...
Underhanded bateful mediation
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Soggy Parlor Toaster
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the average layperson doesn't know to do that. this letter w...
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Soul-stirring Hell Patrolman
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me mum died in the holly (TT6)
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For about a decade these woketards advocating thrusting woke...
Soul-stirring Hell Patrolman
  08/17/26
bitch just needs to disown the racist little turd
Mahogany queen of the night
  08/17/26
🚨 this is a WLMAS account 🚨
Azure ceo parlour
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the problem will sort itself out when he bails
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Underhanded bateful mediation
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jag
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This is insidiously evil because she begins with "of co...
180 alcoholic state
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Anti-racism really is the new state religion. The comments o...
Pearly heaven pocket flask
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"After my son made despicable racist comments...."...
Brass mad cow disease coffee pot
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libs have shit for brains the obvious and only question tha...
cerebral chest-beating library halford
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this is all made up for pageviews "you can’t ...
big half-breed
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Sounds like it was written by Claude TBH
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agenticman
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Now pretend the son has a net worth of $100M
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Date: August 17th, 2026 7:04 AM
Author: drunken home

www.nytimes.com/2026/08/13/well/mind/racism-family-relationship-therapist.html

Ask the Therapist

My Son’s Racist Views Are Destroying Our Family

Our Ask the Therapist columnist, Lori Gottlieb, advises a reader who wants to maintain a relationship with her son while protecting her daughter from his hurtful behavior.

By Lori Gottlieb

Lori Gottlieb, a psychotherapist and best-selling author of a memoir about her work as a therapist, offers readers advice on life’s tough questions.

Aug. 13, 2026, 5:02 a.m. ET

My son has somehow — probably from spending too much time on the wrong websites — become a racist. We are white, and these are not at all the values I bestowed upon my children.

My daughter is married to a Black man, and they recently had a child. After my son made despicable racist comments about Black people, my daughter severed all ties with him. While she hasn’t given me an ultimatum, she has said that if we have a family gathering to please let her know if he’s invited, and she and her family will make other plans.

My son’s hateful views have split our family in two. We can no longer celebrate Christmases or reunions together, and it’s affecting everyone — from grandparents all the way down to cousins. My daughter feels that if one disagrees with her brother’s views yet continues to “rub elbows” with him, they are condoning his behavior.

I do not agree with my son’s views, but I haven’t had the heart to cut him out of my life entirely. How should I handle this gut-wrenching situation?

From the Therapist: You’re describing an agonizing position for any parent to be in: How do you maintain a relationship with one of your children while protecting another from the harm that child has caused? Is it OK to continue loving a child without endorsing behaviors that horrify you?

Your son’s racism has caused real harm to your daughter, her husband and their child. But you don’t have to choose between loving your son and protecting your daughter. You do, however, need to make sure that you aren’t hurting your daughter by letting your son off the hook in order to keep your connection with him.

This is an important distinction, and a good reason to talk with your daughter about what it means for you to have a relationship with her brother while doing everything possible to support her and safeguard her family. You can start by making sure she knows that you understand why she doesn’t want to attend gatherings at which her brother is present, that you will never pressure her to reconsider and that you don’t see her decision as the cause of the family’s division. You can also reassure her that she won’t have to opt out of family occasions you host (as she suggested). Instead, you simply won’t invite her brother to these gatherings until he has repaired the damage he’s caused with her and her family directly.

Granted, this might feel like a hard limit for you to set, especially because your son might never repair the damage, but doing so accomplishes two things. First, it takes a clear protective stand: Those harmed shouldn’t miss out on the joy of family gatherings; those who harm shouldn’t be present in these settings. Second, it leaves room for you to continue to see your son separately — though not neutrally.

Let’s consider how to address your daughter’s view that contact with your son means “condoning his behavior.” Your daughter is struggling to understand that parental attachment can coexist with moral revulsion, meaning that a parent’s love doesn’t usually disappear when a child becomes cruel, destructive or unrecognizable. To help your daughter make sense of this seeming contradiction, you might say something like: “I’m deeply disturbed by what your brother believes, and I’m grieving the person I thought I raised. I also still love him, worry about him and want him in my life. I know this feels confusing to you. But please know that I’m not overlooking what he has done, I won’t ignore it when I’m with him and I still hope that he’ll come to recognize how dehumanizing his beliefs are.”

This is what “not neutrally” means. There’s a difference between being in contact with your son while addressing his racism and conveying that it has no consequences. For instance, if he spews hateful language or ideology that degrades the people you love, and you say nothing in order to keep the peace or avoid a confrontation, then your daughter would be right: You’re condoning his behavior.

Instead, you can address his racism through a desire to understand the change you’ve seen in him. You say your son has “become” a racist, and you suspect he’s spending time in racist online communities. Rather than lecturing him or telling him how wrong he is — because this will only lead to a debate that backs him further into his corner — you might try to learn more about what has sent him down this path. Since you find this change perplexing, use that to approach him with openness rather than judgment.

You could say something like, “I’ve heard you say things recently that are very different from the beliefs I thought you held, and I want to understand what changed. I’m asking because I want to hear you, not argue with you, and because I care about you deeply. I obviously don’t share these beliefs, but there must be a reason you do.” You might ask how he came to think this way, what experiences or people influenced him, what has been going on in his life as he became more interested in these ideas and what he believes these ideas explain for him.

But wait, your daughter might think. Why not just call him out directly and forcefully on his racism? Because, in all my years as a therapist, I’ve never once seen anyone say to another person, “Your views are repugnant!” and get this response: “Oh, wow, you’re absolutely right! Thank you for telling me. I no longer feel that way!”

But I have seen people — in a surprising number of cases — eventually start to shift when they feel loved rather than attacked. Your son might be suffering in ways you aren’t aware of, and your interest in his experience could be something he isn’t getting elsewhere. Hateful ideology often fills a vacuum — isolation, humiliation, a need for belonging or potency — and understanding that vacuum is different from forgiving what filled it.

You’re right that this is gut-wrenching, because no choice will feel entirely right. If you cut ties with your son, you might feel that you’ve abandoned him when he needs you. If you remain in his life, your daughter might feel betrayed. You’ll also need to grieve — not only for the son you thought you had raised, but for the family life you imagined: shared holidays, cousins growing up together, siblings remaining close, everyone gathering around the same table. But families are shaped not only by the harm that occurs within them but by what people do afterward. You can’t repair this rupture, but you can respond in a way that leaves room for accountability, protection, connection and, perhaps, one day, change.

Want to Ask the Therapist? If you have a question, email askthetherapist@nytimes.com. By submitting a query, you agree to our reader submission terms. This column is not a substitute for professional medical advice.

Lori Gottlieb is a psychotherapist and the author of the best-selling book “Maybe You Should Talk to Someone.” She offers readers advice on life’s tough questions in the “Ask the Therapist” column.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50072742)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 7:23 AM
Author: Boyish stage

XO Son

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Date: August 17th, 2026 7:29 AM
Author: frozen casino mental disorder

Boomer Godhead

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Date: August 17th, 2026 7:59 AM
Author: Sepia Crotch

China is Engineering things while we obsess over liberal arts

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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:06 AM
Author: provocative clown property

You voted for this with each and every Youtube click

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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:10 AM
Author: insane mexican

go back to LinkedIn, Rajeet

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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:11 AM
Author: gold station new version

100% of Chinese are unapologetically racist too. 180 people. They all hate blacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50072786)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:24 AM
Author: Sepia Crotch

We need to end democracy and journalism and liberal arts. And any “column” with made-up letters like this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50072802)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:25 AM
Author: jet zombie-like den

Everyone hates blacks — especially themselves . It’s normal and necessary

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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:31 AM
Author: Swollen Floppy Corner

blacks who make it to age 30 without going to prison are some of the most 180 people you will ever meet.

not that different than jews in that respect because even though 99% of you people are scammer idiots, you have the 1% high achievers Engineered via thousands of years of psychotic inbreeding. they're like Westies in that regard in that the 180 ones are 180 but the rest are nutfucks.

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Date: August 17th, 2026 3:04 PM
Author: Underhanded bateful mediation

The "Talented Tenth" is legit for a reason.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50073759)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:40 PM
Author: cowgod

It's the Tall Tenth. Like 10% of guys are Tall imo.

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Date: August 17th, 2026 10:05 AM
Author: Lemon Crackhouse Gaping

they are NOT racist in the butthurt way US birdshits are, they arent angry and mad all day abt other races. they grow up with commie upbringing which doesnt focus on race and class. so its hilarous when birdshits who's only exposure to chinese is eating at panda express make these broad generalizations abt 1.4b GORGEOUS chinks, u are a benchod bloody bastard and i hoap a giant panda rapes and murders u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50072984)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 10:07 AM
Author: jet zombie-like den

Because it’s a homogenous society, dipshit

The second they encounter a random black tourist they go insane

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50072994)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 3:12 PM
Author: Charismatic autistic codepig church

it's a bit strange this notion of a "commie upbringing" which "doesnt focus on ... class"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50073780)



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Date: August 18th, 2026 12:56 AM
Author: ,,,,.,,,,.,.,,....,,.,,.,...,,..


like all jeets, Tommy is full of shit and has immense racial resentment towards superior races.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50074846)



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Date: August 24th, 2026 5:16 AM
Author: jag



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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:26 AM
Author: Swollen Floppy Corner

i never in a million years would have guessed you are chinese. you do a really good job hiding it here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50072807)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:25 AM
Author: Swollen Floppy Corner

My daughter is married to a Black man tp

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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:46 AM
Author: Chartreuse native

proud girldad

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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:59 AM
Author: abusive aphrodisiac university cuckold

Lori Gottlieb huh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50072973)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 10:18 AM
Author: Spectacular abode tattoo

i’m not making a claim to absolute morality, but are libs even just a tiny bit curious why, for 99% of human history, the daughter’s choice would be the unconscionable betrayal?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50073009)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 4:43 PM
Author: Brass mad cow disease coffee pot

(Brabantio)

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Date: August 17th, 2026 10:41 AM
Author: Underhanded bateful mediation

Oh what a surprise, (((Lori Gottlieb))) suggests ostracizing the son. Love how they don't even say what the son said.

Also, the parent that wrote the letter capitalized the B in black and used a lowercase w for white. Fucking lol at these fucking freaks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50073042)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 11:16 AM
Author: Soggy Parlor Toaster



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Date: August 17th, 2026 11:22 AM
Author: hairraiser puppy

the average layperson doesn't know to do that. this letter was likely fabricated - either by a shitlib or the therapist.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50073127)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 5:09 PM
Author: cerebral chest-beating library halford



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Date: August 17th, 2026 11:30 AM
Author: Soul-stirring Hell Patrolman



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Date: August 24th, 2026 5:18 AM
Author: me mum died in the holly (TT6)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 11:38 AM
Author: Soul-stirring Hell Patrolman

For about a decade these woketards advocating thrusting woke bullshit onto family gatherings and encouraged people to cut off anyone that voted for Trump or questioned COVID policy.

Only now that their views aren't popular they're clutching their pearls about it. While taking zero accountability for the expected outcome that if you call people evil based on their identity that will cause a reactionary blowback.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50073148)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 11:48 AM
Author: Mahogany queen of the night

bitch just needs to disown the racist little turd

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Date: August 17th, 2026 1:29 PM
Author: Azure ceo parlour

🚨 this is a WLMAS account 🚨



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Date: August 17th, 2026 1:33 PM
Author: Exhilarant Bronze Athletic Conference Nursing Home

the problem will sort itself out when he bails

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Date: August 17th, 2026 2:50 PM
Author: Underhanded bateful mediation



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Date: August 18th, 2026 12:15 AM
Author: ,,,,.,,,,.,.,,.....,.,,.,...,,..




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Date: August 24th, 2026 5:17 AM
Author: jag



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Date: August 17th, 2026 3:01 PM
Author: 180 alcoholic state

This is insidiously evil because she begins with "of course you should love and maintain your relationship with your son" and then goes on to give advice that makes this completley impossible. This columnist is the absolute worst kind of person and a blight on this world.

And yes, she does remind me of my mother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50073749)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 4:21 PM
Author: Pearly heaven pocket flask

Anti-racism really is the new state religion. The comments on the article were retarded too. I couldn’t believe they dedicated this many words to this clickbait but people eagerly read it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50073944)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 4:32 PM
Author: Brass mad cow disease coffee pot

"After my son made despicable racist comments...." Any guesses as to what those comments were? Much of the rest of the family doesn't seem too bothered--"My son’s hateful views have split our family in two."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5893970&forum_id=2锞兾告触锟界锟絇HPSESSID=962c303388ae8b5678383d002493727e#50073955)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 5:14 PM
Author: cerebral chest-beating library halford

libs have shit for brains

the obvious and only question that needs to be answered before any advice can be given is

so tell me about your daughter's husband

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Date: August 17th, 2026 5:15 PM
Author: big half-breed

this is all made up for pageviews

"you can’t repair this rupture, but you can respond in a way that leaves room for accountability, protection, connection and, perhaps, one day, change."



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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity

Sounds like it was written by Claude TBH

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Date: August 18th, 2026 7:45 AM
Author: agenticman



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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:44 PM
Author: Mega Penis

Now pretend the son has a net worth of $100M

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Date: August 18th, 2026 12:21 AM
Author: peeface

you've just told us your daughter's life is already ruined.

why would you cut yourself off from the one kid you have left who can still lead a positive life and give you happy grandkids?



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Date: August 24th, 2026 9:04 AM
Author: Monikor

spending too much time on the wrong websites

which websites so i know which ones to avoid haha

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