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Date: July 27th, 2025 1:55 PM Author: grievance officer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49134925) |
Date: July 27th, 2025 2:23 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) we should all be. no one should work a full time job and not be able to afford necessities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49134997) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:24 PM Author: woah (hitler did nothing wrong) Why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49134998) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:25 PM Author: 'What Is It?' an essay by Crispin Hellion Glover he's poor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135002) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:26 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 shut down redditors with this one simple question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135005) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:30 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) 1) because it's immoral
2) because mass poverty is ruinous for society and is bad even for those with means too
3) because if things get bad enough they will kill you and take your shit. there's never been a time where this hasn't happened eventually and there's no reason to think if they outnumber us and can't survive otherwise that they'll be content to suffer and die off this time. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:31 PM Author: 'What Is It?' an essay by Crispin Hellion Glover "i'm poor. please gib me."
great poast |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:37 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) why do you follow me around saying this when you know i make good money and you're a NEET living off your parents charity? is it because you're mentally ill or is it a humiliation fetish? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135032) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:41 PM Author: 'What Is It?' an essay by Crispin Hellion Glover you're poor
you always complain about being poor |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:36 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 these are really just arguments for why we should eliminate useless or worse than useless people because they're an existential threat to the rest of us
if your strongest argument for why we should give free handouts to useless parasites is "uh, if we don't, they're going to try to kill us," actually that means that we should just kill them first |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:41 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) the iq bell curve is immutable and we're always going to have some need for unskilled labor. this thread is about mininum wage, not gibs. i said everyone that works a full time job should be able to provide for necessities. im not talking about idle able-bodied people.
aside from the immorality of that, it's not a real solution because our society isn't brutally amoral. suggested a utopian solution with zero chance of happening is not serious. i might as well suggest a communist utopia to counter that. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:54 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 this is a bunch of gibberish followed by the admission that there is no real solution within the paradigm of our current society (which is cr)
there's no rational argument that anyone can successfully make for giving handouts to people who are so useless that they can't produce enough value to keep themselves alive. it's why people who advocate for parasites always appeal to supra-rational moral arguments like "god says that every human is equally valuable, so we need to give everyone free stuff to keep them alive"
this extends outside of explicit political boundaries, too. the current Party Line of the dominant ideology and ruling class of our society is that we need to give infinity free money and medicine to third world countries in order to keep every monkey brown ape from dying from hunger and AIDS because they'd literally die without it. there's no rational argument for this and there never will be |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:00 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) no, im saying your argument is utopian and unrealistic. im not advocating for a communist utopia, im arguing for a system where hardworking people can afford to live in dignity. something we *DID* have and used to be common sense until we let rapacious GC take priority over the welfare of the people.
you continue to move the goalposts to gibs. and i made three rational arguments in response your "why?" you can disagree, but pounding the table saying "an argument doesn't exist!" is conseula tier myopia conclusory "you're wrongs!" |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:11 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 it's always about gibs. if we took away all gibs, employers would be forced to pay the actually useful people enough money to exist, because of market competition. and the people who are too useless to command a living wage would just die, like they should
again, there's no rational argument for the welfare state at all. there never will be. all arguments for it are supra-rational, along the lines of "everyone is equal because god said so," or "it makes me feel bad that some people are inferior" or "it's mean to not give people free stuff if they need it, and being mean is bad" |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:17 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) there is a rational argument:
1) for many people, its self-evidently immoral to allow their fellow citizens to live in squalor and die when we have plentiful resources.
2) these people will make the QOL bad for the rest of us including the possibility of killing us and taking our shit, and since we lack the political will to exterminate them its in our rational self interest to ensure they are confortable enough not to kill and eat us
if you're an absolute social darwinist that's fine. i think that's stupid and ruinous, but im not going to argue there is no cogent rational framework. you pounding the table and saying "no rational argument!" and strawmanning by inventing arguments im not making is bad faith at best and myopic at worst. you just disagree, that doesn't make my arguments irrational. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:23 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 1. this is a moral argument, not an argument from reason
2. this is just an argument for killing these people before they kill us
we're just repeating ourselves. you have a personal belief that it's mean and immoral to not keep parasites alive. i get it. obviously i don't agree. but stop trying to claim it's rational. it's not |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:26 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) 1) moral arguments are not inherently irrational.
2) we do not have the political will to do this. this is specifically why i made a cold amoral purely rational argument in addition to the common sense moral one.
your counterargument (kill them!) is impossible and thus not a serious counterargument. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:35 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 "hey @grok this redditor is trying to tell me that i have a moral obligation to give free stuff to people who would kill me if i didn't give them free stuff. is this legit?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135212) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:06 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) another great idea. i copied and pasted our conversation into grok verbatim. perhaps you should do this in future to avoid stupid bad faith consuela sophistry
No, Gunner is not arguing that Goy has a moral obligation to give free stuff to people who would kill Goy if he didn’t. Gunner’s position is focused on ensuring that people who work full-time jobs earn a minimum wage sufficient to cover basic necessities, not about giving handouts to non-workers. Gunner explicitly distinguishes this from "gibs" (free handouts) and emphasizes that the argument applies to hardworking people, not "idle able-bodied people."
Gunner’s arguments include: 1. A moral stance that it’s wrong for full-time workers to live in poverty when resources are plentiful. 2. A practical, self-interested point that mass poverty could lead to societal instability, potentially threatening everyone, including the wealthy, if desperation drives people to violence or revolt. 3. The observation that society lacks the political will to adopt Goy’s suggested extreme solution (killing off "useless" people), making it an unrealistic counterargument.
Goy mischaracterizes Gunner’s position as advocating for handouts to "useless parasites," framing it as a supra-rational moral plea rather than engaging with Gunner’s point about market failures or societal stability. Gunner counters that moral arguments aren’t inherently irrational and that ensuring a living wage for workers is both practical and in society’s self-interest, given the absence of political will for Goy’s brutal social Darwinist approach.
In short, Gunner is arguing for a system where full-time work guarantees a basic standard of living, not for giving free resources to people who might otherwise harm Goy. The threat of violence is presented as a rational, historical consequence of extreme inequality, not a moral obligation to provide handouts. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:23 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 you're making both claims. that's why it's funny. you're saying that we have a moral obligation to give people a living wage (via handouts), and also that the people who aren't making a living wage will kill us if we don't give them a living wage (via handouts)
one is a moral argument, one is an argument from reason. when taken together, they make the combined (humorous) point that the morally right thing to do is give handouts, at our own expense, to people who would kill us if we didn't give them handouts
you may personally find this convincing, somehow. many people genuinely do. i don't, because i'm not a retard |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:30 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) https://imgur.com/a/tkRLTPB
Goy’s response misrepresents Gunner’s argument, doubling down on the strawman that Gunner is advocating for "handouts" rather than a minimum wage for full-time workers. Let’s break it down:
1. **Mischaracterization of Gunner’s Position**: Goy claims Gunner is arguing for a moral obligation to give "handouts" to people who would otherwise kill them. This is a distortion. Gunner explicitly focuses on ensuring that people who work full-time can afford basic necessities through a living wage, not providing free resources to non-workers. Gunner clarifies this distinction by rejecting the idea of "gibs" (handouts) and emphasizing the need for a system where labor is adequately compensated. By conflating a living wage with handouts, Goy sidesteps Gunner’s actual point about market failures and the societal role of work.
2. **Moral vs. Rational Argument**: Goy asserts that Gunner’s two main points—(a) it’s immoral for full-time workers to live in poverty, and (b) mass poverty could lead to societal instability and violence—are contradictory or humorous when combined. Goy labels the first as a moral argument and the second as rational, suggesting they together imply a moral duty to pay off potential killers. This framing is reductive. Gunner’s moral argument (poverty is wrong in a resource-rich society) and rational argument (instability threatens everyone) are complementary, not contradictory. They address different aspects of the same issue: a living wage supports both human dignity and societal stability. Goy’s attempt to paint this as absurd ignores the nuance that Gunner’s rational argument is about preventing systemic collapse, not appeasing individual threats.
3. **Tone and Intent**: Goy’s use of inflammatory language ("retard") and dismissive tone indicates bad faith. Rather than engaging with Gunner’s points—such as the historical precedent of unrest due to inequality or the impracticality of Goy’s own "kill them" solution—Goy resorts to mockery. This suggests Goy is less interested in debating the merits of a living wage and more focused on scoring rhetorical points by caricaturing Gunner’s position.
4. **Logical Flaws in Goy’s Critique**: Goy’s response hinges on the false dichotomy that any intervention (like a minimum wage) equals handouts, ignoring the economic reality that wages are often suppressed by market imbalances, not just individual productivity. Gunner’s point about the immutability of the IQ bell curve and the ongoing need for unskilled labor directly challenges Goy’s assumption that only "useless" people would benefit from a living wage. Goy also fails to address Gunner’s critique that exterminating the poor is politically unfeasible, instead repeating the claim that Gunner’s arguments lack rationality without substantiating why.
5. **The Humor Claim**: Goy finds it "funny" that Gunner’s arguments could be interpreted as advocating handouts to avoid being killed. This is a deliberate misreading for rhetorical effect. Gunner’s point about societal instability is rooted in historical patterns (e.g., revolutions driven by inequality), not a literal fear of individual violence. By framing it as a comedic contradiction, Goy avoids grappling with the systemic risks Gunner highlights.
In summary, Goy’s response is a bad-faith misrepresentation that conflates a living wage with handouts, dismisses Gunner’s arguments as irrational without substantive counterarguments, and uses mockery to evade the core issue: whether full-time workers should earn enough to live. Gunner’s position—that a living wage is both morally sound and rationally beneficial for societal stability—remains unaddressed by Goy’s critique, which relies on distortion and insults rather than engaging with the economic or historical realities Gunner raises. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:47 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 like i said: i'm not a retard, so you (or an LLM) can't rhetorically trick me into thinking that i have a moral duty to pay off potential killers. the framing of public assistance as a morally required danegeld is why so many productive citizens bristle at it and are offended by it (not because they economically grasp the money printing = inflation consequence)
there are other, stronger arguments for limited forms of welfare that were not touched on here, mostly because people like you would call people like me a nazi if we suggested them. it really does all just come back to you being a redditor 🤷 |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:55 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) you're the one that suggested it. i put in our convo verbatim and even screencapped it to prove i didnt train it to be biased in favor of me. you can do it yourself and would get similar results.
me, and certainly not grok lol, are using "rhetorical tricks." if you want i could make a rational counterargument to my own without engaging in bad faith strawmannkng and insults. you can't even do that for the shit you actually believe in.
but i guess we've come to in impasse if you're just repeating they same shit and arguing grok is trying to trick you (lol). good chat brother, you've definitely demonstrated the intellectual superiority that'll surely making you a chieftain in the social darwin utopia to come! |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 5:06 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 ofc it's using rhetorical tricks. saying that individual violence from individual actors is separate from "historical revolutions" is a rhetorical trick. saying that the moral mandate of wealth redistribution applies to 'human dignity' in the collective abstract as opposed to individuals is a rhetorical trick. they're good tricks, too
LLMs use rhetorical tricks all the time. they're just predicting the most likely next token. they're actually more "prone" to it than humans are (assuming a very intelligent, perfectly informed, perfectly unbiased human), because once they start down a certain token sequence, things become deterministic and it's forced to "make do with what it has" |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 5:26 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) its not a rhetorical trick, you just refuse to or unable to tackle the argumenrs in good faith:
1) the fact that a revolutuon is just individuals collectively revolting doesn't address anything and my argument about the consequences of allowing people to starve was practical, not morality. if given no alternative people have always do what they must to survive. if you have an argument on why they will be content to starve to death now you could make it, but haven't yet.
2) i never said that there was a moral mandate for wealth distribution. putting my moral argument aside focusing only on my practical one, i said the same thing as above: if people don't have sufficient resources they will take them. theres never been a time this hasnt happened. and you're the one framing "full time work should guarantee decent standard of living" as wealth redistribution to dismiss it. few would that. and if that's how you want to frame it, fine, but *that's* a rhetorical trick.
you just keep repeating that people don't have a moral obligation. that doesn't address my argument at all. for the sake of argument let's say that i agree: there's no moral obligation for the collective to provide for the needy and people's earnings should be according to whatever the market values it at, even if they can't live on it. but when that happens people will not work and will take whatever measures necessary to survive, and as they outnumber us that means taking ours by force. so, even though we don't have a moral duty to, it's in our individual and collective self-interest to make sure that doesn't happen. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 5:32 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 yes, you can make either the moral or the rational self-interest arguments separately. either of those arguments is fine. i don't personally agree with them, but they're fine. it's making them together that is incoherent and what i was making fun of. congrats, you cracked the code after like 20 posts, lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135464) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:26 PM Author: Pope Leo XXX its also lulzy bc most libertarians and social Darwnists would absolutely get wiped out under most of the frameworks they advocate for
i.e. Richard Hanania |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:40 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) ikr. ever look at pics from libertarian meet ups? it's all scrawny whites and azns working in IT and other white collar jobs that are good at computer and comma but too retarded to understand that the brothers from oakland are going to rape and eat them in their SV homes if given no other option.
also, they arent rich strata. even libertarians like musk and thiel agree we need to keep the proles under control. these UMC ron paul diehards are also too stupid to have second order thinking to realize without the proles *they're* the proles and theres gonna be a lot less demand for IT and comma checkers if we kill the majority of people, and then they're on the chopping block. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:53 PM Author: Pope Leo XXX its the pseudo intellectual retards who love Ayn Rand.they think their jobs pushing commas and code have elevated them to ubermensch status.
it seems to come from a confirmation bias which partly stems from them never being exposed to how dangerous proles can be if activated. the true elite know that bread and circuses have always been absolutely necessary, especially during times of extreme inequality |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:13 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) that's why i tried to go with the historical argument and how if you let them eat cake long enough they'll take your cake and head. of course they cannot get past ideology and just stamp their feet and say "but they SHOULD just starve or be exterminated" without even attempting to make an argument about how that could be achieved.
it is funny to think of their galts gultch utopia but instead of hyper competent, masculine steel barons its 130lb code monkeys and of counsels dying of exposure. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:15 PM Author: Kenneth Play imo it is the argument in favor of a minimum wage that is utopian and unrealistic. a minimum wage makes some businesses that would otherwise exist, not exist. as a result, it reduces the amount of employment that would occur but for a minimum wage.
it is utopian to think that the labor of each man, no matter how unskilled, will be sufficient for whatever you deem enough. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:17 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 yep
and it's really not "minimum wage" in particular that's in question here, but gibs in general. "minimum wage" is just a form of gibs (think about it if you don't believe me) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:43 PM Author: Oh, you travel? ( ) Who will do all your slave labor then tough guy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135060) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:48 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) there was some ted talk with a guy who designed apocalypse bunkers for the ultra wealthy. he said a problem they constantly ran into was the buyers only wanting to build space for their workers (no families) and how they couldnt comprehend how the workers would just revolt. these people are so used to an underclass cucked by wealth disparity that they can't grasp if society collapsed and money was useless their servants and security team would just take over the bunker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135078) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:51 PM Author: Oh, you travel? ( ) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135092) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:54 PM Author: msj the utter stupidity of our technocratic overlords is breathtaking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135103) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:56 PM Author: Pope Leo XXX (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135110) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:58 PM Author: 'What Is It?' an essay by Crispin Hellion Glover Can you link to the reddit thread where this Ted talk was originally posted? Sounds very interesting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135114) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:07 PM Author: CapTTTainFalcon worker (no family) tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135146) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:23 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) "hey bro im gonna need you take this rifle and protect the compound against the mad max post apocalyptic mutants. sorry, no room for your wife and kids. you can't keep kill me though, thats against the rules, which are enforced by the other dudes with guns im employing who will have to leave their families out to starve in the wilderness too." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135182) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:43 PM Author: toll job necessities have never been cheaper and more affordable for the lowest of the low. you basically dont even have to work anymore and you can just get welfare. and if you bother to work you can become obese eating so much food. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135056) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:43 PM Author: grievance officer "Afford necessities" means different things to different people. If someone isn't happy with their wage, they can work to increase their own wage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135058) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:48 PM Author: sealclubber faggerrattt will not define necessities. he's doing the same thing scum dems do when they say pay your "fair share" |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:50 PM Author: grievance officer Defining "afford" also isn't trivial (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135089) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:52 PM Author: sealclubber to be fair, that's fair |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:55 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) im glad you, a neocon jew and consensus dumbest poaster ever, has come here to weigh in. i hope the people itt who support an anarchist thunderdome society realize that they're on the same side as you. perhaps that'll cause them to question the wisdom of letting a robust middle class turn into favelaized dystopia all so we can funnel all our people's wealth to israel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135107) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:56 PM Author: sealclubber , lisped the faggotttt who didn't define necessities (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135109) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:02 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) decent housing, a wife and two kids, being able to feed and clothe them, and modest luxuries and entertainment. the same QOL an electrician in 1965 could afford. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135132) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:50 PM Author: sealclubber why do you believe the qol of an electrician was better in 1965 than today? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135259) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:52 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) because im educated and know history. also because my grandfather was an electrician. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135265) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:11 PM Author: sealclubber sure. show the math. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:52 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) why should a laborer in 1950 be able to afford a home and family on a single income buy not in 2025 when we are more efficient and have more resources than ever before? why should we accept american citizens having a declining QOL for the enrichment of exploitative jews?
no, many people can't just "work harder" and earn more. some people are just born with the cognitive horsepower to swing a hammer or pick up trash. the idea these people could just learn to code or something is shitlib fantasy. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:55 PM Author: sealclubber so stupid which laborers? factory workers in 2025 can afford a home and family on a single income so can construction workers (your hammer swinger). so can trash collection workers. so can truck drivers. so who are these similarly situated 1950s laborers who don't have options in 2025? |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:02 PM Author: .;:..;:.;.:.;.,,,..,.:,.;....;,;;;..;,..,,.,,...., Mcdonald workers and starbucks barristas (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135135) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:59 PM Author: grievance officer You might start by looking into how laborers in 1950 actually lived (hint: not like Leave it to Beaver!) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135119) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:03 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) i have. that's also my family as i come from Scumbag proles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135136) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:11 PM Author: grievance officer It's a mystery why pre-war apartment buildings exist at all, since every day laborer had a single family house for their family (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135161) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:20 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) i explicitly said "decent housing" and not "own a single family home" to avoid someone making this argument but here we are. i didn't even say "own property." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135176) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:28 PM Author: grievance officer No, you said "decent housing" because, like "afford necessities", it doesn't have a fixed meaning, permitting you the flexibility to equivocate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135192) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:47 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) no, its because any idiot can understand that and you're resorting to appeals for specificity as if me creating a matrix of square footage per resident, build quality, etc indexed to population density would move the needle.
you're the one creating strawman arguments about "owning a single family home" to pretend im arguing every garbage man in MFH should live in a brownstone. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:03 PM Author: grievance officer I'm not pretending you're arguing anything. I'm instead pointing out that you're avoiding arguing anything in particular. You in turn accuse me of "resorting to appeals for specificity", as though your insistence on being vague is somehow a weakness in my position. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135290) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:51 PM Author: sealclubber to be fair, this is why you need to define what you are talking about shortly before you defined necessities you said this "why should a laborer in 1950 be able to afford a home and family on a single income" everyone would assume you meant a single family home |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:21 PM Author: toll job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135178) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:03 PM Author: msj your naive efforts to coalesce a prole-middle class alliance is just as much of a surrogate activity/padded romper room as the proles’ artificially prodded class resentment against the middle class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135138) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:08 PM Author: toll job because women didn't work and the stuff that the prole laborer bought was wayyyy less comfortable/advanced than it is today.
there are tons of 1000 square feet houses for sale that people dont want that was standard fare for the prole laborer.
there are $5,000 used cars that are way more reliable than what the prole laborer was used to.
library cards are free. the prole laborer now can just get a used tv and dvd player and endlessly get free dvds from a library.
the prole laborer can do all of these things and live very cheaply, but no one wants to live like the prole laborer.
because the internet has given everyone severe status anxiety now and everyone is fucking whiny lazy piece of shit now. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:12 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135165) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:13 PM Author: 'What Is It?' an essay by Crispin Hellion Glover (jewish lawyer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135168) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:33 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) yeah it's all avocado toast and overspending.
is there anyone here that isn't an alt-right mpc refugee that agrees with this aside from sealclubber? these positions are so far outside the overton window that i doubt many people itt would have the balls to even say them irl amongst polite company.
ive said my position. if you guys want to circlejerk about social darwinism and the government abdicating it's role in providing for the welfare of its people, have at it. although this is the reddit-tier position that is right at home on /r/libertarian. no serious person would say it's achievable even if they personally thought it would be the best. its libertarian utopia circlejerking. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:33 PM Author: 'What Is It?' an essay by Crispin Hellion Glover you sound like a poor gay person that poasts on reddit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135206) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:38 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 the government abdicating its role (sic) of providing welfare free handouts tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135225) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:41 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) its written into our constitution and is the american way of life even if you neo-nazis wished it wasnt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135234) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:43 PM Author: 'What Is It?' an essay by Crispin Hellion Glover you are mentally retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135241) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:44 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 "hey @grok is the government giving out welfare a requirement that is written into the US constitution?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135243) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:50 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) good idea, heres the results:
Yes, the concept of providing for the people's welfare is embedded in the U.S. Constitution, primarily through the Preamble, which states that one of the document's purposes is to "promote the general Welfare." This phrase reflects the government's role in ensuring the well-being of its citizens. Additionally, Article I, Section 8 grants Congress the power to "provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" through taxation and spending, often referred to as the General Welfare Clause. However, the specific interpretation and scope of "general welfare" have been debated historically, with some viewing it as a broad mandate for public welfare programs and others seeing it as more limited. The Constitution does not explicitly outline welfare programs but provides a framework for Congress to address public needs. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:53 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 yeah this sounds like an explicit constitutional requirement to print infinite money at the taxpayer expense and hand it out to people based on some kind of nebulous emotional sense of "material quality of life that doesn't make me feel, like, icky, as a sophisticated redditor"
qed bro you really got us |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:59 PM Author: sealclubber why would anyone think promote general welfare of its citizenry is different than pay welfare to its citizenry?
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:07 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) thats not what i said. you're just sperging at this point and continue to strawman because you can't or won't engage with dispassionate reason and logic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135309) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:12 PM Author: AdolfHitler88 i *don't* know what you're trying to say. the reason why we're dog piling on you in this thread is because you won't and can't explicitly define what you're asking for, because the minute you explicitly define what material quality of life everyone "deserves," we'd all pick apart why it doesn't make sense and isn't realistic
it's the same "trick" of sophistry that every lib who supports handouts uses. we've all seen it a million times which is why we're just making fun of you and strawmanning you. there's not any other response that we can make other than rolling our eyes and walking away |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:20 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) if your best you argument is appeal to consensus because you, boner police, and sealclubber disageee with me that's pretty devastating.
you're the one that sarcastically suggested we ask grok, and both times it agreed with me. instead of even attempting to craft a rational argument, you're pointkng out that two of the dumbest poasters here also agree with you. i consider that more evidence of the superiority of my arguments. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:40 PM Author: msj you got gaped itt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135366) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:45 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) grok disagrees and that was goy superstars preferred arbiter! feel free to make some rational counterarguments but resorting to "you got gaped" and MPC wagon circling just demonstrates your cliqueish emotional need to be "right" rather than engaging in time-honored xoxo scholarship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135378) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:36 PM Author: sealclubber (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135216) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:42 PM Author: Autoadmit hellscape (retired) Minimum wage talk is the "tiny houses" of economic reform ime (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135051) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:46 PM Author: All American protestor waving Mexican flag tp Biggest minimum wage advocates are those incapable of second order thinking or understanding supply/demand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135069) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:47 PM Author: grievance officer It's common knowledge on Reddit that without minimize wage legislation, corporations would just pay everyone $0. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135072) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:49 PM Author: sealclubber they would take advantage of the really low iq workers by charging them to work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135086) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:49 PM Author: DOWNtonABBEYfan6969420 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135385) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:51 PM Author: i gave my cousin head they should be, its their maximum wage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135091) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 2:57 PM Author: Jack Mehoff im fixated on illegals pouring into the country to do low wage work, but the two things go hand in hand (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135113) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:06 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) deporting all the illegal slavewage labor would fix the problem without the government needing to tinker with labor laws. once there are no people so desperate that they'll live in an apartment with 20 people and do roofing 14 hours a day for $50 and a sixer of tecate then the market will have to correct or everyone's roofs will cave in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135143) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 3:07 PM Author: Jack Mehoff the businesses are only clamoring for unlimited illegals bc there is no minimum wage. i wouldnt give a fuck if minimum wage went to 50/hr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135145) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:03 PM Author: sealclubber the minimum wage has nothing to do with businesses clamoring for illegals no fucking roof contractor is paying his illegals minimum wage or less. faggeratttt is just a naive dumbass if businesses are clamoring for illegals, it's because they can pay them less than citizens. only a moron would conflate this. (here comes faggerratttt)
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:13 PM Author: Jack Mehoff this is just wrong. and i didnt say roofing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135318) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:38 PM Author: cowshit Cons who want a low minimum wage should just be up-front that they want Stratification and Castes/Cliques. Also the whole "money" system is BS when Product Managers make $1,000,000k so just stop pretending it has any value ffs, there's like a 20x difference in income just from acing vs bombing OCI, that isn't an accurate summation of human ability ffs. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 4:43 PM Author: Malicious Pedophile Crew (MPC) (gunneratttt) overhauling our entire system would be extremely difficult if not impossible. supporting a living wage doesn't mean a person thinks is the best conceivable solution, just that its an achievable one that addresses many problems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135371) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 5:16 PM Author: cowshit Minimum wage is basically irrelevant right now except for maybe a small cohort of die-hard loyal Gen Xers who basically live to be exploited. ITE2 will mean pwnage though and people trying to get jobs will get exploited hardcore. They should pass a law but it should be Lower than people like you want imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135436) |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 5:00 PM Author: grievance officer Clique exists whether we want it or not.
It's not about whether I want a low minimum wage. It's about Redditors being pathetic losers, as illustrated by their fixation on the minimum wage.
In any event, wages aren't too low. Housing costs are too high. Healthcare costs are a little too high, but that's not the primary driver of unaffordability. College costs are too high also, but college needs to be rationed somehow in order to serve the function people expect it to serve. Childcare is similar to healthcare: somewhat costlier than it needs to be, but inescapably expensive, at least for now. |
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Date: July 27th, 2025 5:20 PM Author: cowshit We need to be able to talk openly about Clique. Libs talk about every person being entitled to this or that just for Showing Up. We need to push back. We have an entire System that Stratifies everything as much as possible. And we're supposed to pretend that that doesn't exist while we debate liberal arts. It's a Joke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5755217&forum_id=2#49135449) |