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Human obsession with "consciousness" and "god" is so PRIMITIVE
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Date: December 20th, 2025 9:44 AM Author: metaepistemology is trans I doubt other intelligent species, especially ones more intelligent than us get stuck on all of this bullshit--from mysticism and religion to bad philosophy. Even stuff like obsession with getting a unified physics theory as a ONE TRUE ONTOLOGY is laughably simian and primitive. Guarantee you other intelligences get AI much sooner and cleaner than we did. It is more likely they would see cognition as modular from the start, not tie identity so tightly to thinking, and not fear replacement or fetishize "inner experience" as sacred. A much smarter species likely would build AI FIRST before a lot of other things we have done, then let it help with everything else--avoiding half of our deadends entirely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49524821) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 10:07 AM Author: Hello, World! That just makes your "grantee" worthless on account of your stupidity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49524912) |
Date: December 20th, 2025 9:49 AM Author: gay online lawyer friend Seems like you're at least partially correct because we can just look at the real evidence that we have about this. Europeans developed an obsession with these things while the other hominid species on Earth did not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49524840) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 9:52 AM Author: metaepistemology is trans Western philosophy and religion tends to over theorize consciousness and god--yes. But non-western traditions tend to over ritualize them. And many of them rely more heavily on mysticism and "ineffability", which is even more primitive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49524857) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 10:01 AM Author: gay online lawyer friend Monotheism and the conception of an infinite being didn't develop outside of the West and none of them have ever thought about consciousness at all
Unless you're considering "God" as "any supernatural or mystical stuff" in which case the question isn't interesting anymore imo |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 10:23 AM Author: metaepistemology is trans "Monotheism and the conception of an infinite being didn't develop outside of the West and none of them have ever thought about consciousness at all"
Both of these statements are false |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 10:03 AM Author: depressed faggot scientist Explain qualia, chud. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49524904) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 10:25 AM Author: metaepistemology is trans They are system internal discriminative states that are only fully accessible from within the system that instantiates them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49524964) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 10:37 AM Author: depressed faggot scientist What is it like to be a bat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49525007) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 11:12 AM Author: metaepistemology is trans What it is like to be a bat is the bat's internal control format for regulating it's own behavior. Not any extra information but just the way information is organized when you are the bat. You can't imagine it not because it is metaphysically special but because you are operating under a completely different sensory basis, motor loops, compression schemas etc. Biggest isssue with the question is it is asking for a translation layer that reality does not provide (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49525088) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 11:36 AM Author: depressed faggot scientist Mary's room (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49525153) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 12:53 PM Author: depressed faggot scientist Defeated. Simple as (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49525376) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 10:41 AM Author: gay online lawyer friend 👍 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49525024) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 10:35 AM Author: Higgs Monaghan ( ) We are the only species we know of that has consciousness, at least at such an amplitude. Why wouldn’t we be obsessed with it? It is the only property that differentiates us from other organisms and makes us paradoxically self-aware that we are biological automatons. What could possibly be more important than understanding why (and even that is ultimately useless but I digress haha) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49525002) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 11:22 AM Author: metaepistemology is trans Yeah good point. That we have it to this degree and can't explain it fully makes it interesting, but it gets primitive when we decide its something special about humans or that it is something mystical or requires extra physics. But also it isn't even that much of a mystery anymore. Most of what is missing is cross-level modeling. Most of the pieces are there at this point. Aside from the hard problem, which comes more from bad question design. Once you see consciousness as an internal control interface tied to self modeling under irreversible stakes operating under a closed system that feeds back into itself, the question can really collapse into something more like "why does this architecture require an internal perspective". The question "why feels at all" only seems profound, because its the type of thing that results in ontological vertigo from brushing up against the limits of understanding. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49525121) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 11:23 AM Author: ( `-`) why are humans the only species on earth that can speak? that have language? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49525126) |
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Date: December 20th, 2025 11:31 AM Author: metaepistemology is trans Requires a very specific cocktail of selection pressures. Also has a lot of negatives. Lots of species communicate and almost got there. Seems to be rare under an earth sized biological search space, but on cosmic scales likely not. Even if it takes 10K Earth reruns to get it, if you zoom out to billions of planets and cosmic timescales it probably shows up plenty of times (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5812453&forum_id=2#49525135) |