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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:48 AM Author: disgusting cruise ship knife As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed a car driven by C and containing D as a passenger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376133) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 11:57 AM Author: Aphrodisiac startled sweet tailpipe psychic "C was seen driving in the X area, with D as a passenger, by both A and B."
(no one gives a fuck whether A and B were driving or doing a standing 69 at the time they saw these faggots) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 12:01 PM Author: Slippery genital piercing they do if its an auto case. Contrib or comparative play a role potentially. Better to keep it clean.
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Date: April 30th, 2021 2:10 PM Author: Jade rigpig point Your sentence doesn't even say that A and B saw C and D, just that they passed them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42377665) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2021 12:40 PM Author: pale shrine As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed a car driven by C which contained D as a passenger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42386999) |
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Date: February 25th, 2022 1:42 PM Author: cobalt embarrassed to the bone legend Subject: Quick fixxx As A and B were driving in X, they passed a car driven by C containing D as a passenger.
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:52 AM Author: Jet outnumbered azn “As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed a car driven by C. D was a passenger in C’s car at the time.”
Would break up the sentences. Your original sentence isn’t terrible though. |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:53 AM Author: ultramarine skinny woman national (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376148) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:55 AM Author: disgusting cruise ship knife i thought about breaking it up -- it worse because it puts emphasis on "D was a passenger in C’s car at this time" -- which is a minor detail.
it doesn't really matter whether C or D is the driver. |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:56 AM Author: Jet outnumbered azn Ah m, okay. For some reason I assumed that D was the main person. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376166) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:03 AM Author: disgusting cruise ship knife C and D are both involved. I continue to use the term "C's car" for clarity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376201) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 11:51 AM Author: Aphrodisiac startled sweet tailpipe psychic "at this time"
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:54 AM Author: Slippery genital piercing Need to clarify at some point whether A or B were actually driving. Or were they in two separate cars, both of which passed C. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376155) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:55 AM Author: Jet outnumbered azn Yeah I just worked with the isolated sentence in question b/c I didn’t know what the surrounding sentences are like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376160) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:04 AM Author: Slippery genital piercing You can do it in another sentence, but it's going to be important to be clear who was driving in the passing car. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376205) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:55 AM Author: Misunderstood supple menage While driving in the X area, A & B passed a car that C was driving with a passenger, D. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376157) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:58 AM Author: Marvelous Striped Hyena Nowag As A and B were driving separately in the X area, they passed a car driven by C which contained D as a passenger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376174) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 9:59 AM Author: grizzly hell This suggestion isn't meant to be used word for word, just generally to give you the right idea on how to handle this sort of thing, please develop as part of an exercise in your own development as a lawyer. Really need to break this into clauses that explain everything.
As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed a car driven by C and containing D as a passenger.
WHEREAS A, B, C, and D are human persons domiciled in Jurisdiction Y
WHEREAS X is a certain area in Jurisdiction Y
WHEREAS A, B, and C are legally authorized to operate motor vehicles ("cars" and each individual such vehicle a "car")
WHEREAS on that certain date, A, B, and C were operating cars.
WHEREAS on that certain date, D was a passenger in the car operated by C.
Now, therefore be it resolved, on that certain date, the aforementioned cars traversed on intersecting paths in Area X.
[I assume by "passed" you mean "passed" as in "they passed by each other while headed in different directions," revise if you mean they were going the same way and A/B's cars passed/overtook C's car.]
Please handle and recirculate, thanks. |
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Date: May 4th, 2022 12:40 PM Author: sapphire sandwich Very clear, no ambiguity, reads like 1st order logic, I like it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#44453959) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:01 AM Author: Stirring Claret Death Wish Double Fault A and B passed D and C, who was driving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376194) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:01 AM Author: Pearl gaping pervert i hate this crap
As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed by D driving with C. |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:06 AM Author: Pearl gaping pervert As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed by D (who was driving with C).
This is it |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:07 AM Author: disgusting cruise ship knife doesn't it need "D's car" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376216) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:42 AM Author: Pearl gaping pervert it says he was driving, which means an automobile.
if you think specifying what kind of automobile is a key detail then can add that |
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As A was driving, they passed ... |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:06 AM Author: brilliant glittery plaza you have to make it more exciting. keep the reader interested.
"Where did this take place? In X. And what happened in X? A and B were together in a car. And what did that car do? Why it passed by another car, a car driven by C. And was C alone in that second car? No, no C was not. C was with D. That's right. A and B passed C and D. It's all true." |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:31 AM Author: Haunting church boistinker still the best way to do it. He has more than a handful of items to hit: location, two cars, who was each driver and who was each passenger, that they passed.
This does it and leaves no uncertainty at all |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 10:55 AM Author: appetizing french mad cow disease Each of A and B were driving in AREA. They both passed a car driven by C with D as a passenger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376456) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 11:05 AM Author: Dashing Corner Volcanic Crater A and B passed a car driven by C, who was transporting D as a passenger, as they drove through the X area. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376505) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 11:07 AM Author: Floppy place of business two people, a & b, drove past c driving with d in his car. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376517) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 11:13 AM Author: Rough-skinned scourge upon the earth C and his passenger D were traveling in X area. A overtook and passed them. B overtook and passed them too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376555) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 11:19 AM Author: Onyx associate As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed a car driven by C, which contained D as a passenger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42376600) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 11:24 AM Author: Aquamarine Bateful Church Building Haven’t read any of the replies, so someone else may have made the same suggestion, but I’d go with:
While driving in the X area, A & B passed a car containing C (driver) and D (passenger). |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 1:17 PM Author: ruby rehab Just write in the active voice with short simple sentences, subject verb object. Not hard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42377389) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 1:16 PM Author: ruby rehab A and B saw C driving in X (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42377381) |
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Date: April 30th, 2021 1:28 PM Author: emerald magical theater stage andy and brad were driving around brooklyn when they passed carl and dave in their car.
this doesn't define who is driving and who is riding though.
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Date: April 30th, 2021 8:29 PM Author: brilliant glittery plaza A and C, drivers, were in different cars, driving through area X, and with them were B and D, passengers; B was with A while D was with C; A and B passed by C and D. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#42379691) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2022 10:06 AM Author: Scarlet den candlestick maker As A and B were driving in the X area, they passed a car driven by C in which D was a passenger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#44008916) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 12:42 PM Author: UN peacekeeper "and containing D as" -> "in which D was", otherwise fine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#49827205) |
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Date: April 19th, 2026 1:15 PM Author: tubby spastic 11yo playing in toddler section Lots of helpful suggestions in this thread but I’m not sure we’ve got it figured out just yet. Let’s put a pin in it and move on. OP: what’s the next sentence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4823221&forum_id=2#49827228) |
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