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Kirkland V5 SECURE; Milbank V10 SECURE; Gibson DUNN HERE (V11)

https://vault.com/best-companies-to-work-for/law/top-100-law...
zombie-like fluffy associate
  06/26/25
how did S&C, DPW and STB all slip out of the top 5 over ...
aromatic sanctuary
  06/26/25
The real question is how on earth is Cravath still number on...
Talented tripping mexican halford
  06/26/25
cq. and how did skadden go from long-time top 2-3 to barely ...
aromatic sanctuary
  06/26/25
They must be bribing people or have some other scam. They&rs...
Talented tripping mexican halford
  06/26/25
the same way any giants slip. lack of innovation and failur...
Twisted floppy church
  06/26/25
Because 20 years is a long fucking time?
crusty jewess
  06/27/25
still. those firms were in the top 5 for 100 years
aromatic sanctuary
  06/27/25
its still flame. no one thinks kirkland or latham is better ...
Carnelian Dashing Corner
  06/27/25
CR. This whole “Kirkland is an elite firm” thin...
Stirring stubborn indian lodge karate
  06/27/25
You're stuck in 2005.
outnumbered range
  06/27/25
so is xoxohth.com . it was better that way
aromatic sanctuary
  06/27/25
not disagreeing there ....
outnumbered range
  06/27/25
Yes they do. Things have changed a lot in the past 10-15 ye...
outnumbered range
  06/27/25
wtf is a #73 Troutman Pepper Locke
aromatic sanctuary
  06/26/25
Troutman Sanders/Pepper Hamilton/Locke Lord merger?
Scarlet foreskin stage
  06/26/25
rofl so three shitty regional midlaw firms merge and beocme ...
aromatic sanctuary
  06/26/25
and wtf is a #86 Polsinelli is this spaceporn's firm?
aromatic sanctuary
  06/26/25
wtf is #100 Husch Blackwell LLP
aromatic sanctuary
  06/26/25
Very prestigious Kansas City, Missouri, firm with a storied ...
Supple Brunch
  06/27/25
180. Good for Millbank buying their way into the V10 via ass...
Lake Free-loading Parlour
  06/26/25
Boies Schiller has really taken a tumble
Carnelian Dashing Corner
  06/26/25
At Boies Schiller Flexner, associates toss aside the life ve...
aromatic sanctuary
  06/26/25
You know you’ve made it in the legal industry when you...
zombie-like fluffy associate
  06/26/25
Get your passport ready—DLA Piper has more than 90 off...
aromatic sanctuary
  06/26/25
Sidley — Come for the sophisticated work and stay for ...
Vermilion institution
  06/27/25
lol cr, very chill happy bros
laughsome maize garrison cumskin
  06/27/25
I’ve worked at three big law firms and Sidley was the ...
Aqua legal warrant
  06/27/25
polite, amiable Midwesterners like Barry and Michael Obama
zombie-like fluffy associate
  06/27/25
wheres Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard and Smith?
amber adventurous milk gaming laptop
  06/26/25
where is _._. ______ law? should be top 100 after the pen...
aromatic sanctuary
  06/26/25
...
Citrine parlor
  06/26/25
messenger bag logo facing OUT
apoplectic canary useless brakes
  06/26/25
My former firm baker hostetler holding down the 64 spot
primrose exhilarant senate
  06/26/25
...
odious center mad cow disease
  06/27/25
Where does Hamlin Hamlin and McGill rank?
snowy school cafeteria
  06/27/25
What's board consensus on claiming vault prestige: (a) ranki...
learning disabled drab space
  06/27/25
(c), with the argument that it was your hard work that made ...
cracking cuckoldry roast beef
  06/27/25
relatedly, same question about usnwr ug/ls rankings. (ask...
aromatic sanctuary
  06/27/25
I think the bands are consistent enough to just use them: ...
learning disabled drab space
  06/27/25
How was penn?
aromatic sanctuary
  06/27/25
(jerry sandusky tp)
Carnelian Dashing Corner
  06/27/25
I bet the “Carey” 2 and 3Ls would not be happy i...
Stirring stubborn indian lodge karate
  06/27/25
...
aromatic sanctuary
  06/27/25
I’m currently at a V10 and I’d say consensus her...
Concupiscible slap-happy filthpig whorehouse
  06/27/25
Clever Weil-bro post
learning disabled drab space
  06/27/25
...
beady-eyed trailer park new version
  06/27/25
...
aromatic sanctuary
  06/27/25
True although STB is SPS now
cracking cuckoldry roast beef
  06/27/25
How is STB?
Stirring stubborn indian lodge karate
  06/27/25
Does Kirkland still SHATTER the market??
Sinister Boyish Famous Landscape Painting
  06/27/25
YOURE A PARTNER
Carnelian Dashing Corner
  06/27/25
Man, it's still a great shtick for them. In-house business ...
apoplectic canary useless brakes
  06/27/25
...
High-end Genital Piercing
  06/27/25
...
Carnelian Dashing Corner
  06/27/25


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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:42 PM
Author: zombie-like fluffy associate

https://vault.com/best-companies-to-work-for/law/top-100-law-firms-rankings

#1

Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP

#2

Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz

#3

Skadden

#4

Latham & Watkins

#5

Kirkland & Ellis

#6

Sullivan & Cromwell LLP

#7

Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP

#8

Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP

#9

Milbank LLP

#10

Simpson Thacher

#11

Gibson Dunn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052006)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:44 PM
Author: aromatic sanctuary

how did S&C, DPW and STB all slip out of the top 5 over the past 20 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052012)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:42 PM
Author: Talented tripping mexican halford

The real question is how on earth is Cravath still number one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052822)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:45 PM
Author: aromatic sanctuary

cq. and how did skadden go from long-time top 2-3 to barely in the top 5 (perhaps sometimes out?) to back to solid top 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052832)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:48 PM
Author: Talented tripping mexican halford

They must be bribing people or have some other scam. They’ve been losing partners/business for ages.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052838)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:50 PM
Author: Twisted floppy church

the same way any giants slip. lack of innovation and failure to adjust to modernity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052842)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:41 AM
Author: crusty jewess

Because 20 years is a long fucking time?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053272)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:52 AM
Author: aromatic sanctuary

still. those firms were in the top 5 for 100 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053413)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:07 AM
Author: Carnelian Dashing Corner

its still flame. no one thinks kirkland or latham is better than s&c or dpw. skadden perhaps has a case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053456)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:10 AM
Author: Stirring stubborn indian lodge karate

CR. This whole “Kirkland is an elite firm” thing is rancid flame. Place is full of UIUC grads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053468)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:28 PM
Author: outnumbered range

You're stuck in 2005.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054437)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:34 PM
Author: aromatic sanctuary

so is xoxohth.com . it was better that way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054461)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:34 PM
Author: outnumbered range

not disagreeing there ....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054462)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:29 PM
Author: outnumbered range

Yes they do. Things have changed a lot in the past 10-15 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054440)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:46 PM
Author: aromatic sanctuary

wtf is a #73 Troutman Pepper Locke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052014)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:28 PM
Author: Scarlet foreskin stage

Troutman Sanders/Pepper Hamilton/Locke Lord merger?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052790)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:39 PM
Author: aromatic sanctuary

rofl so three shitty regional midlaw firms merge and beocme biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052821)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:47 PM
Author: aromatic sanctuary

and wtf is a #86 Polsinelli

is this spaceporn's firm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052016)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: aromatic sanctuary

wtf is #100 Husch Blackwell LLP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052023)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:53 AM
Author: Supple Brunch

Very prestigious Kansas City, Missouri, firm with a storied history and full service range of practice areas.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053336)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: Lake Free-loading Parlour

180. Good for Millbank buying their way into the V10 via associate pay increases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052025)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:53 PM
Author: Carnelian Dashing Corner

Boies Schiller has really taken a tumble

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052039)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:54 PM
Author: aromatic sanctuary

At Boies Schiller Flexner, associates toss aside the life vest and dive right in, and lawyers at this litigation powerhouse wouldn’t have it any other way. Litigators looking to roll up their sleeves and learn on the job will feel right at home here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052044)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: zombie-like fluffy associate

You know you’ve made it in the legal industry when you’ve landed a spot at Latham & Watkins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052774)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:38 PM
Author: aromatic sanctuary

Get your passport ready—DLA Piper has more than 90 offices (including relationship firms) around the world and is home to more than 4,000 lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052820)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:13 AM
Author: Vermilion institution

Sidley — Come for the sophisticated work and stay for the polite, amiable Midwestern vibes as well as the sincere commitment to building a welcoming and inclusive workplace.

lol yeah lots of folksy people wandering the halls there. They just love small talk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053140)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:49 AM
Author: laughsome maize garrison cumskin

lol cr, very chill happy bros

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053406)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:10 PM
Author: Aqua legal warrant

I’ve worked at three big law firms and Sidley was the most transactional by far. Nobody gave a fuck about anybody else other than their tiny in group and they just rented the Sidley brand name.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053841)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:08 PM
Author: zombie-like fluffy associate

polite, amiable Midwesterners like Barry and Michael Obama

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054162)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: amber adventurous milk gaming laptop

wheres Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard and Smith?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052048)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:57 PM
Author: aromatic sanctuary

where is _._. ______ law?

should be top 100 after the penis verdict

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052055)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:44 PM
Author: Citrine parlor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052828)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:30 PM
Author: apoplectic canary useless brakes

messenger bag logo facing OUT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052792)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:54 PM
Author: primrose exhilarant senate

My former firm baker hostetler holding down the 64 spot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052844)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:38 AM
Author: odious center mad cow disease



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053127)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:01 AM
Author: snowy school cafeteria

Where does Hamlin Hamlin and McGill rank?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053137)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 6:14 AM
Author: learning disabled drab space

What's board consensus on claiming vault prestige: (a) ranking from your time as an associate, (b) current rank, or (c) whichever is higher

I believe in (a)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053216)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 6:44 AM
Author: cracking cuckoldry roast beef

(c), with the argument that it was your hard work that made it increase after you left

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053237)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:01 AM
Author: aromatic sanctuary

relatedly, same question about usnwr ug/ls rankings.

(asking for a silent gen friend who went to umich when it was #1)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053245)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:05 AM
Author: learning disabled drab space

I think the bands are consistent enough to just use them:

HYS (Just use school name)

CCNP (just say top 5 and hope you don't have to explain)

BVMN (just say top 10)

TTT (anywhere lower, pretend you're a plumber)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053287)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: aromatic sanctuary

How was penn?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053374)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:09 AM
Author: Carnelian Dashing Corner

(jerry sandusky tp)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053463)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:15 AM
Author: Stirring stubborn indian lodge karate

I bet the “Carey” 2 and 3Ls would not be happy if they knew their CDO was spending time advertising on xo instead of making connections at regional DLA Piper offices.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053489)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 1:38 PM
Author: aromatic sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054103)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:40 AM
Author: Concupiscible slap-happy filthpig whorehouse

I’m currently at a V10 and I’d say consensus here is (c) - also FWIW no one is under any illusion that Kirkland and Kirkland branded products (e.g., Skadden and Latham) are prestigious. No one at my T6 (historical) wanted to go there.

The legacy undisputed V5 is WLRK, CSM, S&C, DPW and STB.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053271)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:03 AM
Author: learning disabled drab space

Clever Weil-bro post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053286)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: beady-eyed trailer park new version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053324)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: aromatic sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053373)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:43 AM
Author: cracking cuckoldry roast beef

True although STB is SPS now



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053393)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:11 AM
Author: Stirring stubborn indian lodge karate

How is STB?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053474)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:19 AM
Author: Sinister Boyish Famous Landscape Painting

Does Kirkland still SHATTER the market??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053501)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:20 AM
Author: Carnelian Dashing Corner

YOURE A PARTNER

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053507)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:20 PM
Author: apoplectic canary useless brakes

Man, it's still a great shtick for them. In-house business guys are impressed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054201)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:01 PM
Author: High-end Genital Piercing



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053812)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:02 PM
Author: Carnelian Dashing Corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053817)