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nutella: just do generic corporate job for 150-200K
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:04 PM Author: French Depressive Menage these are so rare nowadays and 10 years isn't even enough for a fucking foot in the door, and they want advanced degrees too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33897983) |
Date: August 1st, 2017 5:05 PM Author: Jet-lagged elastic band theatre Guys in my high school got generic $200k F500 jobs all the time. It was no big deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33897988) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:06 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness xo is a bizarre alternative universe when it comes to jobs salaries and net worth
Of all the toxic filth on this board it's this crap that will finally get me to kick the habit |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:09 PM Author: French Depressive Menage she can't show her math
3 years of JD
5 years of BIGLAW
8 years of experience, let's even say 8-10 range
8-10 range with BA = 100-125K, at best; and many of these jobs want advanced degrees, and many of these jobs are in expensive areas
it's not until 15+ years when you start getting much more senior roles that can "compete" with the in-house lawyers
obviously someone with 5 years from a good firm can 1) get a better in-house job than the shit ones and 2) has a lot more latitude in exactly where they end up and where they go and 3) can actually leave firms for other firms to stretch out $$$ for just a year or two more, they actually have the potential to make some $$$$ and nutella has no fucking clue how an ordinary person lives or survives |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:19 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness An accountant with their CPA and 10 years experience might be at the top of that range and that's working for a large company with all the bullshit that entails. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898087) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:28 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Maybe, but I'm not sure I see the advantage in that path. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898164) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:34 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness What do you mean. That's a fairly standard outcome for an intelligent and competent person without moar 'education' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898207) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:38 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse It isn't really an improvement in lifestyle, more interesting work or better promotion potential. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898228) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:45 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner That's more or less my wife making around $120 or 125 as a mid level manager at a big corporation. It's definitely harder to get up to the $200k range without getting to the VP level, but there is more cross over with operations and finance and it seems more interesting than law drudgery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898277) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:59 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness It's really not. Accountants are stuck in the groundhog day monthly, quarterly and annual reporting cycle. A monkey could do the commercial analysis they provide.
Lawyers definitely have a better deal in large corporations. More money and more autonomy. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:11 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner That's true now - but there are openings to lateral to director of finance or operations - which are $200K-250K jobs that are somewhat more interesting and which are the step below the real VP jobs. You may have to get some bullshit online MBA to make the switch but it is doable. I guess the same can happen for lawyers but you never see it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898487) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:43 PM Author: Motley feces friendly grandma Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899090) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 11:52 AM Author: know-it-all razzle-dazzle school cafeteria CR
I should have become a CPA - much longer career life |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:07 PM Author: Motley feces friendly grandma CPA + 10 years routinely are pulling 150K in flyover (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898462) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 8:07 PM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth Yeah no. Maybe the top tier. I have several regular bro directional or generic stateU CPA friends from hs and none make anywhere close to that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899247) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:09 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner it's not so much toxic or bullshit, so much as it focuses on a smaller subset of lawyers and law students who used to be a lot more numerous on the board.
At one time it seemed like half of the posters on this board went to t-14 law schools and for those students, biglaw was no worse than a 50/50 shot. The jobs suck and are grueling, but if you survived ITE and kept working you eventually make some money doing something stable.
This doesn't apply to people who graduated from Whittier or WUSTL law. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:11 PM Author: French Depressive Menage TBF you arrogant, slanty-eyed shitfuck, while Whittier places 0% in BIGLAW as it is closed down, 40% from WUSTL land BIGLAW and probably slightly more
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:19 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner (Dean Staudt) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898089) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:21 PM Author: French Depressive Menage law school transparency + actually knowing IRL lawyers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898104) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:22 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner (guy who swallowed the bait) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898117) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:23 PM Author: French Depressive Menage (guy who writes in parentheses instead of looking at the LST numbers showing 41% of WUSTL grads in BIGLAW and a couple more % in federal clerkships and likely a few more % grinding their way into BIGLAW after something else) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898125) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:45 PM Author: Trip trailer park Got Damn... get up earl, get up. you can do it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903932) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:47 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner that's stupid. He keeps pushing WUSTL stats as if I know or care about them. I am obviously trolling WUSTL by comparing it to Whittier and it made the pumo MAF for some reason. If he was confident in his school he would feel that responding to the flame bait was beneath him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903949) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:13 PM Author: Misunderstood Disrespectful Church Faggotry Oh look it's faggot chink earl carrying water for intolerable chink nutella (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898033) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:13 PM Author: French Depressive Menage she can't back up her own math or worldview (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898043) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:15 PM Author: maroon adventurous macaca knife he's actually right this time though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898047) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:17 PM Author: Misunderstood Disrespectful Church Faggotry Shut the fuck up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898064) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:18 PM Author: maroon adventurous macaca knife eat my ass chink. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898078) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:15 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness It's the idea that 'some money' starts well into six figures (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898056) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:20 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner for people who followed the path I suggested - which of course all starts with the LSAT ridiculously - six figures is probably expected. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898098) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:25 PM Author: Jet-lagged elastic band theatre Unless you have a pension, good luck buying a house, having kids, and (crucially) saving for a decent retirement on less than $100,000.
What generally happens is that the sub-$100,000 folks *have* to work until they're deep into their 60s. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:32 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness Totally possible with two incomes assuming reasonable property prices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898200) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:35 PM Author: Jet-lagged elastic band theatre Yes, if you make more than $100,000, it's possible to make more than $100,000, at which point you escape my concern.
I'm not really interested in whether that takes one job or four. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:37 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness Ok chief, is the typical professional married to a stay at home mom? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898225) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:45 PM Author: Jet-lagged elastic band theatre That's not uncommon, but neither of us seems to know precisely what the numbers are. In any case, who cares? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898274) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 6:47 PM Author: nudist bull headed cruise ship are we really outnumbered that much? I always assumed about half of us were biglaw at some point and still comfortably make 6 figs.
lol at the WUSTLE side swipe. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:22 PM Author: French Depressive Menage Author: nutella
I don't think you realize how many fucking random ass corporate jobs there are at huge companies you've never even heard of. I used to work a corporate job at Altria group before law school and it's amazing how they employ tons of people with just BAs who are complete idiots making low six figures. I currently deal with dozens of financial services providers and there is an entire industry of just back office work that employs hundreds of thousands of people, all making decent money doing bs work like AML compliance and credit risk checks, work that some people with JDs sometimes even beg to get when they've burned out. If you're the type to have gone to a decent law school, theoretically you could've done even better and than those idiots. The ladder hasn't been pulled up at all, you just have to know these jobs exists.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3688618&forum_id=2#33898029)
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you're just wrong, or at the very least extremely ignorant/naive about IRL and post-ITE (which is still very real for anyone out of college after '08) I agree people @ t14s could probably have landed a different path or job, maybe some that are even better in terms of $ and/or QOL, but I think your perception of corporate america is way off, and I base this off my own, more up-to-date perceptions, which involve a ton of people applying for jobs requiring 8-12 years of experience, almost all extremely competitive, requiring advanced degrees, almost none with any upward mobility, almost none paying close to what in-house people get
I also concede some people have shitty in-house jobs, but pound-for-pound, someone with 5 years from a biglaw firm can make more than 150K which is a totally hard ceiling for nearly all of these corporate jobs (and they dont hit it until year 20) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:23 PM Author: Narrow-minded pocket flask abode She's actually right here. I've had five such jobs and everyone here thinks I'm functionally retarded, so that should tell you something about their availability
All manner of HR Directors, Finance Managers, Marketing Senior Managers, Communications VPs, IT Directors, etc. at a multitude of companies clear $150k |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:24 PM Author: French Depressive Menage either you're not (which you literally, repeatedly claim, evidenced by your IQ remarks)
or you are, and then you are retarded and I will concede an L to nutella to W against you, julia, that you're a fucking retard
you're trying to defend your online "friend" here but you're just in a double bind |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:25 PM Author: Narrow-minded pocket flask abode I don't have online friends It's just true that there are a bunch of corporate jobs paying $150k plus and the people doing them don't mostly have Ivy credentials |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:27 PM Author: French Depressive Menage if we distill it down to that, then sure, I agree, but it's a little more complicated when nutella is comparing in house lawyer gigs to people with generic 10 years corp exp and a BA -- it just ooozes out of touch coastal striver with no concept of how things really are for people anymore (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898157) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:31 PM Author: Narrow-minded pocket flask abode What ? Major in marketing, be competent, and make $130 base plus bonus by 30-32. That's how it happens. If you're not competent, you make more like &80k plus bonus at that age. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898192) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:33 PM Author: Crawly glittery tanning salon organic girlfriend You are correct about this, but the hours are pretty aggressive to get to this level and you really have to get out there and hustle to break past the $150k mark. Most never will. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898202) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:24 PM Author: Maize racy area Don't make this thread about you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898136) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:25 PM Author: French Depressive Menage always is, always will be, always a subthread wasteland to come (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898138) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:27 PM Author: Jet-lagged elastic band theatre Suggested topics for discussion: IQ, Scores, strippers, night school, Playboy, Thunderbird, pretend relationships. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898160) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:29 PM Author: Misunderstood Disrespectful Church Faggotry too late (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898175) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:25 PM Author: Crawly glittery tanning salon organic girlfriend No, everyone knows that you are a liar based on what you claim to make from your freelancing and podcasting jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898139) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:25 PM Author: French Depressive Menage she just put herself in a pretty big double bind here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898141) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:26 PM Author: French Depressive Menage This is insane: 1) to compare a finance manager to a VP of anything and 2) to suggest that every single person in all of these roles clears 150K, and 3) jesus christ it could take 25 years to be the HR director of a F500 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898150) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:29 PM Author: Narrow-minded pocket flask abode It's not just F500s, and comp varies by vertical, so yeah, a VP of Comm may make the same as an IT Director or Finance Sr Manager (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898172) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:30 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness need to be quite senior to clear over 150k in finance or it
Corporate HR are the biggest frauds going. All it boils down to is using third party salary data and administering standardised interview questions. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:53 PM Author: Spectacular idea he suggested people who are hurt It's hilarious how this place is now filled to brim with redneck NEETs that speak so confidently about how the other half lives. Please tell this to my 25 year old cousin who just got a Finance job at a nowhere near F500 that does well under a billion in annual revenue for 175k all in. These jobs aren't available to dumb proles who go to directional state U, but they happen pretty regularly for people who do things with their time other than megapoasting and jerking off to interracial porn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898350) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:24 PM Author: concupiscible lilac brethren flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898972) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:27 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898997) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 11:16 AM Author: brindle overrated internal respiration dilemma your cousin is lying about his salary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33902615) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:53 PM Author: Spectacular idea he suggested people who are hurt No he isn't, but he's leaving a much higher all-in comp at an IB, so he's sort of an unfair example. I work at a huge F100 in are country that is stuffed to the gills with mediocrities pocketing low six figures and living solidly middle class lives. These jobs exist, but you have to grind for 5 years and beat out 6 other people who could've beaten you to get them. It's basically a top 25-33% outcome for people who get real degrees (not just STEM) from state flagship UG or better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33905347) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 11:54 AM Author: know-it-all razzle-dazzle school cafeteria I forgot about HR jobs - don't you need to be black to get one though? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33902833) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 12:52 AM Author: provocative wagecucks sex offender HR is truly the land of the not qualified, but the kicker is that they decide whom to hire, obviously thinking of -- ahem -- things like diversity and preservation of their role. What a racket. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33907948) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:26 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal these are not rare at all if you are halfway intelligent/competent/charismatic (at least 2 of 3) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898148) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:29 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse $100k is nbd.
Once you start looking at $150-200k that starts to get rarer for ARE generation. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:31 PM Author: Crawly glittery tanning salon organic girlfriend TCR. See poast below. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898193) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:10 PM Author: Motley feces friendly grandma Agreed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898476) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:31 PM Author: Crawly glittery tanning salon organic girlfriend I review this shit all the time for F100 and F500 clients. It is really fucking hard to make more than $125k at jobs with sane hours. Even in the NYC area, while you may get to $125k in your early 30s, it is hard as fuck to break past $200k when you are basically only getting inflation salary increases. If you break into the VP level (mostly people in their late 30/early 40s) you can make in the $400-600 range, but you will be working your ass off and can be fired if your division starts tanking. The only way to get rich at one of these places is to make it to the senior vp/named executive officer level and start getting some stock. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898191) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:35 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Tcr. Where I work the real liftoff it's at director level where you get LTI (long term incentive) bonus. If I can get that (which would be my next promotion) then I'll be in Nutella range comp. It is also a tiny percentage of the workforce that is that or above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898215) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:53 PM Author: pungent parlor lol, look everyone, TMF is having ignorant jerkoff fantasies about being rich again!
let us know when they start paying you $400K at your next promotion, little buddy. i'm sure that's right around the corner. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:10 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse It would be $300k+, not $400k+, and a portion of that would vest over time. But still, not bad. For $400k+ I'd have to make VP.
EDIT: Also, none of that would really qualify as "rich" |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:25 PM Author: Aphrodisiac disturbing lay private companies or smaller public companies often pay much better than f100-500 companies to lower overhead. It's just much harder for a fresh college grad to know where to look. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898980) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 8:41 PM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth Yeah but his point is most people itt either a) have a comically narrow scope of jobs (because their friends are only successful strivers from top schools) or b) are just making shit up like muscular ginger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899437) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:34 PM Author: Motley feces friendly grandma As I am the only one close to a generic corporate job at $200K I will explain how to get them.
Start at entry level after and work your ass off for ten years ---> $200K. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:35 PM Author: Misunderstood Disrespectful Church Faggotry Shut the fuck up, Muscular Ginger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898209) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:35 PM Author: Crawly glittery tanning salon organic girlfriend Not happening unless you are at Goldman or a private company. No 32 year olds are making $200k at F100s unless they started at McKinsey or are in a c-suite management training track, in which case they probably are being shipped around the country every 2 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898213) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:45 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal this is dumb and completely false (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898273) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:46 PM Author: Motley feces friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898279) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:36 PM Author: Narrow-minded pocket flask abode Cr It's not magic. Great promotions or change jobs every couple of years. $150k is no big deal for a remotely competent person |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:39 PM Author: Crawly glittery tanning salon organic girlfriend 200k is 33% higher than $150k. It would require 8 years of 4% raises to get there. You are retarded, aren't you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898231) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:41 PM Author: Narrow-minded pocket flask abode You're the retarded fuck who doesn't seem to recall that this thread is about $150-200k jobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898242) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:44 PM Author: Motley feces friendly grandma That's not how it works. Your large raises come from promotions you get by busting your ass and proving yourself. I started at $60K in 2010 and am at $130K now. I expect another promotion in 2 years to $155K and the one after that to $200K.
What XO doesn't get is that mega corp almost NEVER hires externally for $150K plus jobs. Sure you hear about big ones in the news, but those are the rare exceptions. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:46 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal actualyl, your largest raises come from jumping to another company (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898281) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:48 PM Author: Motley feces friendly grandma Yes and no. Positions are rarely filled externally at VP/SVP levels. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898297) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:50 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal lol, other way around (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898331) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:53 PM Author: Motley feces friendly grandma I'm 3 down from the CEO at an F100. youre wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898341) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:01 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal how's rite aid bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898414) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:04 PM Author: Motley feces friendly grandma Mods! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898438) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:20 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Absolutely not. It is pretty rare to hire externally for those senior management positions, and to the extent it happens these people were already execs at a similar rank elsewhere. Really moving up tends to happen internally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903754) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:47 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness And there's a legion of drooling retards out there who 'expect' to become day trading billionaires (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898288) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 10:39 AM Author: zippy buff foreskin french chef that depends on the company really. I've seen it both ways. Companies that promote internally get to pay to fill the position for less than it probably would take to hire an external person and they get a vacant position that doesn't necessarily need to get filled, so it saves money on both ends. that way they're able to slowly reduce the workforce over time without having directly lay off as many people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33902385) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:40 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness Tell us again how you worked in options trading (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898240) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:41 PM Author: Narrow-minded pocket flask abode I did. And I made $150k at 27 as a Comms Director . How ir8 does that make you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898247) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:42 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness Writing press releases and editing the website. Lick my hairy sack (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898257) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:01 PM Author: pungent parlor weren't you close to 27 already when you graduated night school, because college took you 7 years? and you're saying you were made a director of something at a real company inside of 1-2 years?
jfc julia, you never put any real effort into your lies but this almost seems like bait. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 1:02 AM Author: soggy brunch gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901269) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 9:14 AM Author: Narrow-minded pocket flask abode Yes, that is what I'm telling you, but then you can't understand how IRL works for people who are remotely competent at their jobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901977) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:39 PM Author: Yellow odious roast beef hall My friends wife is a commercial loan officer or something and makes 300k with no degree. She is hot and has big fake tits though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898233) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:41 PM Author: Fragrant drab generalized bond den pics? asking for myself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898245) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:45 PM Author: Yellow odious roast beef hall Don't have any handy but sometimes when we drink she gets em out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898275) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:20 PM Author: hairless beta location legend Did you meet her with them, or buy them for her? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898531) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:44 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal lol you guys are retarded and have no exposure to the real corproate world
150-200k is easy
500k+ is hard |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:50 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness What positions pay 200k that are easy to get? And what industries? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898321) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 5:52 PM Author: Jet-lagged elastic band theatre "What positions pay 200k that are easy to get?"
With links to postings. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:04 PM Author: razzmatazz spot LMAO, dude...application security pentester, which would be an IC/non-managerial role, can easily get $200k BASE, and you're basically just running scripts and using tools.
Add even more $ to that base if you're a MOBILE apsec tester. Jobs completely available to anyone who can pass and earn this cert:
https://www.offensive-security.com/information-security-certifications/oscp-offensive-security-certified-professional/ |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:06 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness Link to available positions
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:24 PM Author: razzmatazz spot Generic 'security engineer' at Facebook
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Facebook-Security-Engineer-Salaries-E40772_D_KO9,26.htm
$141k base and $211k total comp. Again, this is not for a senior role, nor are these people managing anyone.
Literally, anyone who actually knows their shit beyond running scripts and out of the box aps can punch in $200k+ infosec jobs as they see fit; demand is huge. The only reason you'll ever see salaries skewed lower is a lot of places like Verizon, run SOCs out in places like Nebraska and lots of our country proles will do lower end work in the 80-120k range. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:01 PM Author: Amber shitlib Twist: $200k in silicon valley is $45k in Boise (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898785) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 8:34 PM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth What a dumb example. Facebook is hiring people with legit CS knowledge even if they aren't working on main product teams; good luck telling the 2001 style sysadmin to do some random leetcode hard. Google has a very similar hiring process for SREs (which is amongst their hardest interviews actually because you need both standard cs interview grind question experience and excellent systems/networking knowledge--on the lowest level)
You actually have it backwards: positions like this (or what you thought it is, the particular case of Facebook is very different than a "just write some scripts" position) are disappearing at most companies as everything increasingly gets pushed to one of a few cloud services. The sysadmin and "security guru" have gone poof in favor of a significantly smaller number of highly skilled people like SREs at Google and similar positions at other companies with large hosting infrastructure |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 8:51 AM Author: zippy buff foreskin french chef lol at linking to facebook or anything in SV as if that's indicative of the real world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901917) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:01 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness This is a terrible example (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903643) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 4:29 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse LMAO, that job is hard as hell to get. Not only do you need a solid CS background (that is solid enough to get hired by Facebook in the first place), but you need a variety of infosec certs like CISSP that require years of solid experience and are incredibly hard to pass. LOL @ saying "well, if you didn't go to a T14, you could have just been a security engineer at facebook and gotten the same salary you have now." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33904679) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 4:52 PM Author: razzmatazz spot That FB job pays LESS than what the same job pays elsewhere because FB can go lower market for salary because of the perks and stock. Same job at a hungrier company goes for $200k+. MY last company had a security team of 20 (LMAO at SRE's and "cloud" removing this need) and maybe the "technical project manager" made less than $150k, maybe. SOC director, red team lead, trust and safety lead, all north of $200k with the CISO well above $300k...and that's BASE salary.
As for those certs being so hard, I'd have to look at my linkedin to count how many I have. |
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Date: August 7th, 2017 8:59 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse The number of lawyers capable of passing these is in the minority. Seriously. These jobs are a terrible example of "normal jobs" where most T14 lawyers could have "skipped law school" and just walked into. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33938570) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:05 PM Author: Motley feces friendly grandma None are easy to get. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898443) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:07 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness See above. 150-200 is 'easy' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898457) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:11 PM Author: Motley feces friendly grandma That was bs. 100K is easy for someone with XO smarts. It just takes dedication and patience to climb the ladder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898483) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:06 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal sales, biz dev, marketing, product, engineering, legal, finance
technology is what i know, but here's a random google result for you - $170k
hth |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:09 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Wells-Fargo-Senior-Investment-Manager-Salaries-E8876_D_KO12,37.htm
$200k |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:09 PM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness Staff software engineer 145k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898473) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:10 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal 200k
hth |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:11 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal $188k
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/GE-Capital-Senior-Finance-Manager-Salaries-E7207_D_KO11,33.htm |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:13 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal $148k (tbf, 2k under, but this comapny is so boring i fell asleep looking at thier salaries)
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Honeywell-Senior-Marketing-Manager-Salaries-E28_D_KO10,34.htm
none of these are in tech, and all of these are sub director level positions
hth, xoxo |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:15 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal $170k
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Pfizer-Senior-Brand-Manager-Salaries-E525_D_KO7,27.htm
had enough yet? |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:19 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal you can literally make $140k working for fucking Pepsi in fucking Plano, TX
BBBBut it's so hard to make money at jobs! cried the xo poaster |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:02 PM Author: Amber shitlib Senior finance managers are usually like 50++ years old at F500 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898798) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:08 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal yah, that 50++ year old senior finance manager from Pepsi who got her BA in 2004
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindsey-lerner-a3085427/
lmao your done here |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 9:43 PM Author: French Depressive Menage just do HUG --> elite MBA program, LOL making sub-200K this HURTS your argument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899796) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:23 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal lol, dumbass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900144) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 12:54 AM Author: provocative wagecucks sex offender I'm on your side, but this is a terrible example. Blonde female Harvard? WTF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33907962) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:09 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal wait maybe you mean this 50++ year old senior finance manager at pepsi who got her BA in 2006???
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-kennedy-ba690822/ |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:09 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal ok let's try agian. surely this time there is a 50++ year old senior finance manager at pepsi who graduated in 2004?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamela-kramer-91a2275/ |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:10 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal oh but they're all women you say? maybe a white male would have to be 50++ to get a senior finance manager job at pepsi, like this old dood with a 2006 BA
https://www.linkedin.com/in/timothy-vanravenswaay-711b679/ |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:11 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal surely there cant be more than one white male senior finance manager at pepsi who is 50++, e.g. this man with a 2005 BA cant possibly be one as well
https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-heinimann-6226b610/ |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:12 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal maybe "Finance" just tends to hire older people, what about this really old lady who is a senior manager of revenue managment at pepsi and graduated in 2006?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolinekcook/ |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:14 PM Author: Amber shitlib Sorry brother, couldn't get into Booth and NW. FAIR on the 50 year old, they're usually older tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898903) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:17 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898920) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:14 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal look found one! lol this 50++ old fuck who is a senior manager of finance at Pepsi graduated college in 2008, lol he must have been 40 when he graduated
https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolinekcook/ |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:15 PM Author: Amber shitlib Woman, UPenn, nepotism. She went back to school and got her MBA, nearly 10 years exp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898905) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:18 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal wrong copaypasta, see below
https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-young-cpa-13a81025/ |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:15 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal "ok fine!" you say "finance managers are younger than 50+++, i was an idiot and take it back. but that's just an exception, senior managers just skew young. surely a DIRECTOR of finance at pepsi must be 50+++, like this woman who graduated in 2004 !!!"
edit: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathryn-mcquarrie-6163659/ |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:27 PM Author: Amber shitlib Kellogg, woman, pretty hot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898990) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:28 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal while im at it, rate her
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamie-schermerhorn-70804921/ |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:09 PM Author: green beady-eyed mother sure, fair. but all these jobs youve poasted require decades of experience and ass kissing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898855) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 8:21 PM Author: Motley feces friendly grandma Yup so get started (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899333) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:21 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal $153k
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:21 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal has everyoen whining itt been gaped yet? pls respond
i havent even poasted a single 'tech' job, these are all bumfuck companies doing bumfuck things |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 9:45 PM Author: French Depressive Menage 1. They're *all* elite school students, like it's laughable you just throw up multiple Wharton and Kellogg MBAs and you're like HAHA see, they just WALK RIGHT INTO THESE JOBS! -- in fact, for those MBAs, they are bad jobs.
2. Self-reported salary crap, you have no clue what they make and I doubt it's nearly as high.
But in the end, if you want to be the outlier and get the job you need 10+ years of experience and an elite degree. Got it. And then maybe, just maybe, you'll get 150K. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:22 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal yes, these jobs require a modicum of social skills, so pumos need not apply. you are correct, you have no shot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900143) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:26 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Most in-house lawyers/T14 grads have shit for social skills. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900172) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 10:28 AM Author: zippy buff foreskin french chef lol at pepsi and coke being bumfuck companies and double lol at getting good jobs out of ugrad then getting into top mba programs just to cop low six figs in your 30's somehow being an easier path than law school.
link to one example of someone actually staying with these companies from ugrad and working up to these roles rather than the companies cherry picking M7 grads who don't want to do/get dinged from banking. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 11:22 AM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness Global megacorp brand names are 'bumfuck' companies? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33902652) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:28 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal guys, ive thought about it, and realized that CISCO is just such an amazing dream company, surely no one can get jobs there, if only this back office drone job at a great company like CISCO paying $185k was within reach... all my dreams woudl be answered were i only able to work at CISCO
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Cisco-Systems-Senior-Finance-Manager-Salaries-E1425_D_KO14,36.htm |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:30 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal also, i know this is imposisble, but were i not only to dream big but dream HUGE, maybe i could even imagine myself in this backoffice deadend IT job at CISCO making $300k...no...cant fly too clsoe to the sun
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Cisco-Systems-IT-Senior-Manager-Salaries-E1425_D_KO14,31.htm |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:32 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal fuck! you know what, i dreamed too big and got burned, so what if i were to just settle for this deadend boring as fuck job designing user experiences at my favorite company, CISCO...what could i possibly expect to make?
$258k
https://www.paysa.com/salaries/cisco-systems--senior-user-experience-manager |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:04 PM Author: Amber shitlib The competition for all of these jobs is immense and they're more difficult to get than you think (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898810) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:07 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal the difference between you and me is that you think jobs at coca cola, cisco and sony are immensely difficult to get, yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898830) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:10 PM Author: Amber shitlib Quite the statement there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898867) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:14 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal i think you've aptly demonstrated that you do not know what you're talking about when it comes to corporate jobs brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898901) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:28 PM Author: Amber shitlib Several hundreds applied for those jobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899003) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 10:32 AM Author: zippy buff foreskin french chef no, they almost definitely would not hire you if that's what you're implying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33902344) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 12:55 AM Author: provocative wagecucks sex offender This is true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33907964) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:01 PM Author: razzmatazz spot Probably the richest person in this thread so I'll weigh in, because $ > all when inflating sense of expertise and knowledge. 70% of this conversation is dependent on location.
The SAME type of positions that I might hire someone for 120-150k in Cali I see flyover pay $70-100k. These are apples vs. apples jobs because things generally mirror Big4-type hierarchy.
Another data point in Cali, where if I look at my wife's organization (Finance, multi-billion dollar public co.) she probably only has the lowest of low levels making under $100k. Nearly every mid-level finance drone is somewhere in $100-150k range, and Dir's are $150-185k.
So yes, tons of jobs exist that pay $100-200k, tons of them. But, they're probably coastal and if you're living in these areas that money doesn't go so far. The only way you win at this game is to work coastal, buy a home early so your high COL goes into equity in the home, then sell the home and move out of the state to somewhere cheaper when you want to retire.
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:26 PM Author: hairless beta location legend how rich are you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898575) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:01 PM Author: razzmatazz spot With home equity, ~$5mil, but have 100k's of shares in a company (which I'm not including in my $5mm net worth figure) that will IPO next year that will push me into 8 figures with most of if not all completely liquid depending where the valuation lands come 6-months/blackout ending. Hence my thread from a month or so back asking about capital gains in states other than CA...we'll be making sure we're not CA residents at the time of the stock sale because at the amount I'm going to take in the 8% difference between CA and like TX will be significant.
And no, my stock isn't funny/paper money until the IPO, I've already sold 10% of it at a tender offer that has the company valuation in the several billion dollar range. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:08 PM Author: hairless beta location legend So you already own the shares? They aren't just options? If they are options, I assumed you couldn't avoid state tax in the state where you did the work, but this is just a guess. I'm curious because my wife and I are in a similar situation, although ours are certainly options at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898844) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:11 PM Author: razzmatazz spot Exercised when I left, per an even earlier thread, my QUARTERLY IRS and CA tax bill is approaching 6-figures.
Put it this way, I realllllyyyy fucking cared whether the 3.8% ACA tax was going to get cut and would throw an XO party boat weekend if AMT is eliminated. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:21 PM Author: hairless beta location legend My wife and I will pay about $350k in Fed and CA tax in 2016. I read an article though that at my family's income, a little under $1mm a year, AMT didn't have as much an effect. I don't really understand AMT very well, but the article basically said that at around $800k income it starts phasing out, I can't remember why....
Yeah, eliminating the ACA tax would be nice. But it isn't going to happen any time soon sadly. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 9:22 PM Author: cobalt out-of-control juggernaut Yes because the top rate is higher than the AMT rate, so if you make enough in the top rate bucket the AMT goes away.
Obama also augmented this by reinstating the Pease deduction limitations.
https://taxfoundation.org/pease-limitation-itemized-deductions-really-surtax/ |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 8:52 AM Author: Motley feces friendly grandma Being rich isn't relevant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901919) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:13 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner By the way my cousin works at amazon as a "project manager" - he was a former code monkey and now manages H1B code monkeys.
He did not go to college, works 40 hours a week, has happy hours every day and makes $250-275K. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:18 PM Author: gaped flirting center 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898525) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:20 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal wtf do project managers make so much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898533) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:48 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner if they got their jobs 4 years ago like you did when the stock was at $300 or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898704) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:22 PM Author: Splenetic crimson national security agency Nutella is right and TMF should be ridiculed for how self-important he thinks he is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898545) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 8:43 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse 'Sup Nutella. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899452) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:22 PM Author: hairless beta location legend this is a bizarre thread. It is like people living in two different worlds. Weirdly, I'm in the world with Nutella. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898549) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:26 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal it really is bizarre. on one hand you have people who think "senior marketing manager" at "coca cola" and "pfizer" making $180k is an impossible dream reach job, on the other hand you have sensible intelligent people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898573) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:29 PM Author: hairless beta location legend Wait, so senior marketing manager at Coca Cola making $180k is a dream reach job?
My wife works in biotech in the Bay Area, works 9-4pm with some travel and emails to respond to at night, has zero ambition, and makes $200k a year base with a $50k avg bonus. It can't be that hard. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:33 PM Author: gaped flirting center I think the difference is that a lawyer will never get one of these jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898615) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:37 PM Author: hairless beta location legend I'm certain the lawyers at her biotech makes at least much as she does, maybe works a few more hours, but not many. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898632) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:49 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner the key is the bay area. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898711) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 9:29 AM Author: zippy buff foreskin french chef so your wife basically has a $60K job in America (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33909171) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 3:13 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse And her credentials are what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33911461) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 6:32 PM Author: boyish boltzmann I have a generic govt job in DC and make $125k, I'm pretty sure my private sector equivalents make like 30% more than me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898612) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:11 PM Author: green beady-eyed mother u have a pen$ion, ridiculous vacation, and a chill as fuck work environment tho. you win (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898878) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:13 PM Author: Aphrodisiac disturbing lay You're misrepresenting what I'm saying.
I'm talking about biglawyers who went to t14s or other top regional schools like UCLA (I say this because I work with so many dumb UCLA and USC BAs with high paying jobs) who then apply for in house jobs. Most of them get in house jobs paying around $150k-$175k/year ($200k+/year is higher range believe it or not and more rare). Meanwhile shitheads with only communications BA who started at Viacom or whatever at age 22 are making $120k without doing anything by the time the biglawyer goes in house at age 33. Yes, biglawyer makes a little more than $120k dude, but in house lawyer should've avoided law school altogether went to Viacom at 22 or jumped around companies from 22-33 to land a $150k-200k job instead. They are certainly smart and capable enough to do that but problem is most 22 years olds see more schooling as a safe haven and would rather have a defined trajectory that they can follow. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:16 PM Author: green beady-eyed mother agreed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898911) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:18 PM Author: Saffron multi-colored rehab >>($200k+/year is higher range believe it or not and more rare)
sick brag |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:23 PM Author: mewling fat ankles resort The mistake is thinking junior level in-house people are the end of the story for lawyers. If the lawyers stays in-house for 10 years and becomes an ED or an MD or whatever the non-bank equivalent of those positions is he's making 300k+ and doing maybe 3 hours of work in a given day. That same lawyers in-house comp will double in a decade. I very much doubt the BA fucktard will ever see 300k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898957) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:25 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner the path up gets clogged once you go in house the same as BA fucktards. you lateral, or you wait for someone to die or retire... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898974) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:27 PM Author: mewling fat ankles resort So you wait for them to die or retire. That's literally my plan at my bank. I just have to sit here and do my easy as fuck job until someone above me quits. Its not like I'm poorly compensated for the 3 hours of actual work I do in a given day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33898994) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:29 PM Author: Saffron multi-colored rehab esl? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899005) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:36 PM Author: Jet-lagged elastic band theatre "That's literally my plan at my bank."
Is that what you're calling your corner car dealership? |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:52 PM Author: frozen copper coldplay fan it's even worse really because in-house legal teams are typically small, the career path is narrow, and the turnover relatively low
in comparison, sales or marketing or finance functions are far larger, with more turnover, and may even offer flexible career pathing (i.e. sales into marketing)
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:34 PM Author: Aphrodisiac disturbing lay All bets are off once you're in house. You might be getting the 3-5% until you die or you can jump around for promotions or do well internally. I don't see lawyers as being anywhere on a higher totem pole as somebody in marketing or finance etc. It's basically the same as the corporate person who didn't go to law school advancing beyond $150-200k. My comments only go toward what is achievable for your average t14 grad and I don't think it's hard for them to get a generic $150-200k job without law school if they wanted it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899031) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:22 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse But the equivalent salary bands are usually occupied by people with other grad degrees, that had an in and a ton of experience, or both. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903765) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 1:06 AM Author: Umber wonderful lodge gaping >shitheads with only communications BA who started at Viacom or whatever at age 22 are making $120k
This this actually happen? Do communications BAs get hired for anything, anywhere? |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:41 PM Author: Amber shitlib Just go get a generic 95-98%th percentile job, its easy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899079) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:44 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner part of the assumption is that you are starting at the 95% from the beginning - because you are smart and went to a good school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899100) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:45 PM Author: Amber shitlib Hmmm, yah not part of that assumption. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899101) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:45 PM Author: gaped flirting center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899105) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:55 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal (xo 2005 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899176) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:56 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899187) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 7:57 PM Author: Amber shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899192) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 8:42 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse This is one of the silliest things XOers think: if you are in the 98% for things like LSAT/GPA and therefore can get into a good law school that you will be 98% in most random jobs like sales. IRL, many jobs require different skills.
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Date: August 1st, 2017 8:59 PM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth yeah
when it comes down to it, most of my friends from college are way more successful than me because they went into traditionally lucrative fields, and subsequently stuff like the standard finance/consulting->mba->whatever biz position. my friends who went to places like UNC vary wildly, but I honestly can't think of a single person who just works some "random 150-200k F500 job" after being there for 8-10 years. everyone I know in that pay range (assuming they're just generic "business" people and not in a skill-based field) got a job after an MBA.
there a) aren't really as many "generic corporate F500" jobs as people on here seem to think to begin with; how many people do you know who were account managers at procter and gamble or some shit (which btw pays a whopping 80k, and you may get promoted to executive several years later for dat 110k) out of college? b) many, many of those do not have great internal promotion paths and deadend fairly early on. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 9:10 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Agreed. Also, both Nutella and Earl are doing this backward. They're looking at people in those F500s that have those jobs (some of which, btw, pay less than they think) and say "oh, look, it is doable." Just like pre-laws look at partners and their acceptance at Fordham and go "oh, look, it is doable." Of course, they don't see the 50 people that wanted that job but didn't get it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899584) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 9:14 PM Author: Amber shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899611) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 9:14 PM Author: Amber shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899612) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 9:42 PM Author: Aphrodisiac disturbing lay Bad analogy. Pre-laws at Fordham are not top 98% and biglaw partnership path is difficult for anyone. Take a person who can get into HLS and see how he does competing against the idiots by age 35. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899784) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 9:55 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse "Pre-laws at Fordham are not top 98% and biglaw partnership path is difficult for anyone."
The point of the Fordham hypo is that there are plenty of biglaw partners out of Fordham. Therefore, some pre-law looking at attending Fordham thinks "oh, I can do that too!" The realistic 25-75% outcome of attending Fordham, however, doesn't include being a biglaw partner. Looking at "the winners" instead of most people that attempt the path leads to misleading conclusions.
"Take a person who can get into HLS and see how he does competing against the idiots by age 35."
The original hypo wasn't "guy who attends HLS." It was typical in-house counsel/T14er vs. them not attending LS and just taking ordinary F500 jobs. I posit that many would end up with worse results. I look at my alternatives and realize that while I could do as well, I could easily not have. Also, many T14 LS grads didn't have awesome Ugrad backgrounds. Now, if you mean they could have gotten an MBA instead or a grad degree in something else, then that is a different hypo entirely. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:13 PM Author: Aphrodisiac disturbing lay I used a t14 ex-biglaw in house counsel as a general proxy for decent intelligence and personality (not so autistic as to not get or survive a biglaw job and get an in house one). These people aren't comparable to your average Fordham grad and will have better outcomes as a whole. obviously individual outcomes will vary since some total weirdos or dumbs will slip through through the cracks even in t14, but on average, these people will do well in life, as evidenced by all the people I consider above avg intelligence who aren't xoxo board shut ins who didn't even attend prestigious UGs or grad schools making $150-200k. Lol my brother in law who when went to central Florida works at amazon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900552) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:19 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse I don't know if you're missing my point with the Fordham LS bound kid or just toying with me. Again, it isn't about their talent, it is about the fallacy of looking at success stories and extrapolating expected results.
IRL, I know you love the idea that if you're smart and hard working and not a total weirdo that you'll do great (as in get absolutely top results and not merely do ok), but I don't think that is actually true. Different paths produce different results. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:20 PM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth Your brother in law works for amazon because probably he's smarter than you and just screwed around in high school, and programming is pretty much the only path where you're allowed to do this (and even then the people from uncommon paths have to be that much sharper because it's much, much easier to get a high paying job coming out of a good school).
He's a slack-off PM now but that's because he was good enough to get hired as a dev at a top company with no degree in the first place, which means he's pretty exceptional and probably smarter than 95% of people who post here regardless of what intelligence-signaling traits (or lack thereof) he may exhibit IRL, to say nothing of how he compares with a UC Davis business grad. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 1:07 AM Author: Umber wonderful lodge gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901295) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 9:55 PM Author: French Depressive Menage bingo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33899903) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:25 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal or, you know, nutella and earl actually know successful people, so they have a larger irl sample size than xo poa whose idea of interaction is a series of punctuation marks on an internet msg bort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900158) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:30 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Again, knowing a bunch of people who "maed it" isn't helpful at all. Just like knowing a bunch of biglaw partners who graduated from Fordham and then saying "it is easy to become a biglaw partner out of Fordham" is just retarded. What you need to know is how many are making it and how many are not.
Incidentally, I work at a megacorp and know plenty of these people too. Based on what I've seen, a) getting those is extremely rare (each rung is extremely competitive), b) they often make less than you think, c) many of those positions are extremely unstable. Now, I'm assuming we're only talking about those who didn't go to grad school at all, not those who got an MBA or M.S. in Comp Sci or whatever, since the JD vs MBA vs grad degree is a totally different convo. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:42 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal re: 1st paragraph, you are welcome to compare yourself to touro grads and GEDs in the cesspool of life. other people have higher standards. the correct comparison is how many of your peers who are making it and how many are not, not how many fordham grads fail to maek it. west virginia coal miners dont have high acceptance rates working at dream companies like pepsico either
2nd paragraph - your industry pays poorly. hth |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:45 PM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth you're really an uber-autist when it comes to this stuff and seem to be entirely missing the point to focus on "lmao be more successful fags!". the entire argument was that there are lots of high-paying jobs at random F500s, which is simply not true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900353) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:48 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal there are lots of high paying jobs at random F500s IF YOU ARE IN THE 95-98% AS EARL MENTIONED, IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE 95-98% THEN YOU QUALIFY AS XO 2017, SO I AM MAKING FUN OF YOU
jfc you are presumably an intelligent person, why is this so hard for you to understand |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:52 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Well, the original hypo was about how in-house counsel could easily have made the same money without being lawyers. IRL, that simply isn't true. Plus, the concept of "in the 95-98%" isn't nearly as rigid outside of law school where we neatly classify that through LSAT and GPA/law school ranking/LS GPA/etc. Many of the people in those "I just graduated from college and started working and am now a director!" positions are from State U with shit grades but knew the right people or were in the right place at the right time or usually some combo thereof. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900393) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:49 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse "when it comes to this stuff and seem to be entirely missing the point to focus on "lmao be more successful fags!""
This is Nutella's schtick in a nutshell, btw. I'm doing pretty freakin' well and I make over $200k/year. I'm just not delusional enough to think that I was pre-destined to make this and if I just didn't bother with grad school I could have shown up and started as a junior marketing analyst or in IT and just "worked my way up to this", no problem, nbd, cream rises to the top... |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:55 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal you are also an autist (and i say this without vitriol) who couldnt get a jerb through normal channels, so yes in your case you've probably outperformed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900414) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:01 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Most in-house counsel/T14ers have a bullshit UG degree which is why they went to LS in the first place. And LOL @ acting like everyone is just so cool and social that they could have DOMINATED anyway. If that were they case then they, in fact, woudln't have gone to LS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900466) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:05 PM Author: carnelian irradiated theater stage tattoo I think there is a big difference between saying most hys students would be otherwise rather successful (ok fine) and saying your average ucla grad compliance counsel could've rocketed up to a $200k F500 job in a few years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900495) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:14 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Well, most HYS grads would have just gotten an MBA or grad degree instead. If you mean that they would have skyrocketed to $200k/year with just their degree in poli sci degree from Tufts or whatever then I really question that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900563) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:29 PM Author: Aphrodisiac disturbing lay You're a weird Russian though. If I continued my $50k in bs govt relations job at Altria instead of going to law school, I'm pretty sure I'd be there or somewhere else making $150-$200k by the time I was 35. Instead, at 30-31, I was interviewing for $125k/year job at NBC filled with a bunch of ex-Latham/Gibson/omm associates who all went to top schools who are just happy they're working 9-5 when they could've been doing that earlier in their careers and beating out the mouth breathers for promotions to more than $125k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900695) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:33 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse While I am admittedly a weird Russian, that is neither here nor there. Yes, there are plenty of ex-biglaw types working crappy in-house (particularly in media and also lawyers for sports leagues) for low wages because humane hours + "prestigious" industry. That is also neither here nor there. The point is that if you look at most companies, it is much easier to make good money as in-house counsel than as any other job that doesn't require a grad degree. Full stop.
As to your assumption that you would make big cash if you stayed at your first job, I don't know the answer to that and neither do you. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:03 AM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth Let me put it this way: a PM at amazon got one of the top tier software jobs in one of the most expensive areas in the country (which Seattle now is, even moreso if he's in an SF, NYC, LA office), was good enough to get shifted to PM (which is pretty tough at amazon and means he was likely very good at his job--they're notoriously stingy with promotions, people will get stuck in software dev 2-3) and lucked out at a place where the stock went through the goddamn roof and makes 250k. Since top tech firms have gone full-on batshit in the last five or so years once they finally decided to start spending some of their ridiculous piles of cash, the entry level position a PM started in would now pay 125k+ all in in a state that's tax free (more for the bay area offices to compensate).
Your bullshit altria job is not even in the ballpark as a point of comparison, and mind you that this was a job that a grad from a very good school got in a decent economy, much less what GoodStateU Chad would have gotten. He's more analagous to an investment banking or MBB hire and decidedly not par for the course. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:13 AM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal are you seriously deifying a project (not product, project) fucking manager at amzn? lol, maybe you are not as smart as i thought (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901018) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:23 AM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth a project manager at amazon (which is usually more of a pure-internally corporate thing as far as I know, e.g. in HR or whatever) is not making anywhere near 250k, so presumably that isn't what he was talking about.
product managers are either technical (promoted from dev-side) or non-technical/consumer facing (usually top MBAs who start at around 125-140k and earn their way up). these aren't people who just bootstrapped their way up out of nowhere. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:25 AM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal ctrl f project
"By the way my cousin works at amazon as a "project manager" - he was a former code monkey and now manages H1B code monkeys. He did not go to college, works 40 hours a week, has happy hours every day and makes $250-275K. " |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:29 AM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth Did it ever occur to you that earl probably doesn't actually know his cousin's formal title, or that it could be something specific to the group which deviates from the norm? Anyone getting promoted into a position out of dev 2/3 at amazon has done something right, because they're literally known for dead-ending the great majority of their programmers (which is why many leave even if they don't mind the comparatively sweatshop hours amazon pushes on devs the first few years)
You're like :D when it comes to this stuff. MFE. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:31 AM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal yes, the MFE confusing project and product managers and who believes it's impossible to make 150k in corproate jobs is lecturing me on being an MFE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901116) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:38 AM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth The fact that you didn't realize "project manager" is either a typo or some very specific position to the group is my entire point--you obviously don't know much about the structure of how tech hiring works, anyone who is a "project manager" as a former dev making 250k either a) just had a special title assigned for post-senior dev position (which is very hard to get at amazon) or b) earl didn't really pay much attention to the real title (or his cousin just says something to simplify explaining it to people).
I don't have anything confused, it's like if I were trying to LOL at someone for misconstruing midlaw 6th year exit options. You just don't know what the fuck you're actually talking about and post whatever random link is convenient no matter the field, which is the definition of MFE. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:42 AM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Amazon-Senior-Technical-Program-Manager-Salaries-E6036_D_KO7,39.htm
https://www.quora.com/Is-Technical-Program-Manager-not-a-respected-figure-in-Amazon-ecosystem
and now you've learned something today. i sincerely hth |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:59 AM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth Yes, I know what a TPM is seeing as how I have friends who have held the position and have to meet with one regularly (as part of, you know, my job), and at amazon they almost certainly make more these days. Amazon specifically I know a lot about because three of my best friends worked there (two of which basically said it was horrible, but they were devs; apparently it's not quite as bad business-side)
If you were indeed a product manager at a company with a similar structure as amazon (and it can certainly mean different things elsewhere), then you should also know that a) the ratio of such positions to runts is typically fairly low, indicating that b) while there is a sizable absolute number the percentage of employees overall is fairly low, which means c) that no, there isn't a magical preponderance of 200k+ jobs where people can constantly meander into salary bumps given that not everyone (or even most) is going to get promoted past a point, and d) if you work for the right company in the right area at the right time you can easily get overpaid relative to your skillset, and most are not so lucky.
But by all means continue to jack yourself off because dammit, you're smart and you earned it with bootstraps. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:57 AM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner I did not pay much attention to the title. Might be product. He was a code monkey who became the boss of other code monkeys from india to create specific projects.
What I am sure about is he never went to college and makes $250 or 275k |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:59 AM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal its cute, btw, being lectured by a junior developer on tech hiring. i'm sure you will blow this off with another bitter "I'm not a MFE, your'e an MFE!" retort, but maybe there's a slim chance you learn that sometimes you really don't know everything. i'm going to bed, we can kbitiz anotehr night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901253) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 1:08 AM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth I certainly don't know everything but I sure as shit know a lot about tech because many of my friends in college were (way better than I am) CS grads and when you're a dev you're pretty much forced to learn about the hiring process these by virtue of the fact that the system is now more or less "everyone spams leetcode interviews so send out a bunch of apps everywhere", so I deferred to people with actual good experience at "prestigious" companies to learn as much as I could about the industry and structure. And you just throw out an endless string of "but check this glassdoor link!" random comments to "prove" that I (or anyone else who dares challenge your knowledge) doesn't know anything, which sure as shit sounds MFE to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901299) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:26 AM Author: Aphrodisiac disturbing lay Wtf are you talking about? My brother in law is a senior account manager and makes about $115 base and will be closer to $150k once stock all fully vests. He is not a programmer and is a ttt grad but not a drooling xoxo autist and likeable. What a shocker that a normal person can have a decent job.
My bs Altria job paid $55k to start and my boss at 40 was a director of govt relations who made over $250k. He was in middle management and decently smart but nothing spectacular. Realistically I would've bounced around to several jobs while getting various salary increases to get to where I want to be. Before I hit the in house lottery jackpot, I was decidedly headed to a mediocre sub-$150k outcome as a shitigator so I don't use my random luck as indicative of what actually typically happens. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:45 AM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth tbf I was confusing your brother and law with earl's cousin
I certainly don't know of any of my standard stateU grad but decently hard working friends who landed non-technical jobs at anywhere approaching amazon. Either he was smart, lucky, knew someone, or smart enough and a really big gunner. Good on him for maeking it but that is definitely not the norm, and I think you underestimate how hard it is for people in corp-grunt jobs to climb the ladder. Say what you will about peterman but he's a more realistic representation of the scenario (and that's still a good cut above a standard UNC grad or whatever), spending an endless number of posts running through scenarios where he deadends at 110k after 10 more years or whatever. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:41 PM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth you realize this pretty much speaks to the opposite of the point, right? what you just said is basically "successful yuppies are successful and often associate with other successful yuppies!". no shit, but that doesn't mean there are a lot of them to begin with, and outside of a few areas (tech, finance, etc.) where profits are insane there aren't many high paying positions in F500s. It's not like there are lots of people who just get a random job at Nabisco out of college and are making 150k in a decade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900307) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:44 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal did you actually read the subthread? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900337) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:48 PM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth did you?
" Meanwhile shitheads with only communications BA who started at Viacom or whatever at age 22 are making $120k without doing anything by the time the biglawyer goes in house at age 33."
this is simply laughably false. there are very, very few paths likes this IRL and there aren't many "communications BAs" working at random F500s out of school in the first place because there just aren't many such positions.
you're just fixated on the "lmao proles whining bc they aren't successful" aspect |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:49 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal please re-read the first poast in this subthread and earl's first response (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900375) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:56 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Read this for the origin of this whole convo: http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3688618&mc=91&forum_id=2#33897958
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:57 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal brother if i wanted to make a point about that thread i would paost in that thread, dont u know ur xo etiquette (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900435) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:04 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse You don't need to make a point about that thread, but it introduces the context of this one. If you want to make some ridiculous point of how if you're Steve Jobs or Bill Gates then you don't need no stinkin' education because you can make BILLIONS with your mind or whatever then great, but that has nothing to do with what we're talking about or what led to this entire conversation. This convo is about normal T14 lawyers/in-house counsel types and whether there are just tons of normal in-house jobs that they could have gotten absent law/grad school that would have paid the same amount. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900488) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 9:57 PM Author: French Depressive Menage The fact nutella thinks people just " go from 22 to 32 at viacom and eventually make 120K" shows how disconnected she is from IRL and real working lives and is clearly in a high COL area ...
that person eventually gets stuck with a shit manager and never advances, or is fired immediately when shareholders want .00000001% more, or the department is moved around or something -- what kind of leave it to beaver 1950s corporate culture crap are you smoking?
also lol at 10 years and then you make 120K in LA, you're now stuck at viacom forever btw because no one hires people with "too much" experience anymore, you need just the right amount |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:07 AM Author: hairraiser gay pervert jew TITMFCR. people in this thread are placing way too much stock in their unique fortunate experiences. Heuristic bias up the wazoo. There are so many places things can go wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901453) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 10:11 PM Author: chrome passionate masturbator garrison going to try to find a job at a random company and report back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900014) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:06 PM Author: pungent parlor this thread is filled with low-level corporate dipshits who grudgingly drag themselves into work every day fueled by the hope that they'll be making $200K by 40, effectively doubling their salaries.
they want to make it sound like this is a credited and likely path. for their own minds' sake as well as the need to continually reassure themselves that lawyers are fucked and they can make 'profession' or banking money as they slave away at their nestle corp support office farm in sacramento. most of these people are morons like julia who know deep down they're too stupid and incapable to ever do something as admittedly mindless but credential-guarded as biglaw. |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:16 PM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth I think it's really some sort of weird self delusion going on where xo posters are trying to convince themselves biglaw-type lawyers (and the jobs they eventually move in to) aren't massively overpaid and they earned their station in life because there are sooooo many alternatives for completely skill-less but moderately smart people to make bank so it's not, like, that exceptional man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900573) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:28 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse I think it is more that people want to believe that they didn't just follow a good path, that they're legitimately better PEOPLE and that no matter what path they followed they would have been at the very top because they're just that fucking awesome. In fact, if they did that they would have had the money AND had more interesting work. So really, this is them not even at their best...
Of course, it is nonsense and personally I'm grateful for what I have but I'm sure one of that crowd will run here and note that I'm just a fucking loser and not as cool as the rest of the crowd is. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:07 AM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth wtf is xo coming to when peak self awareness is tmf
tbf you got kicked in the ass managed to crawl back out into a decent outcome, so you probably have more perspective than most
pre-400k law school was absolutely one of the best outcomes for... most of the types of people going to non-yale t14 law schools, assuming that you only care about $$$. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 10:35 AM Author: hairraiser gay pervert jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33902362) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:12 AM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal counterpoint: xo poa with real world experience in the corporate world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901011) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:12 PM Author: Crawly glittery tanning salon organic girlfriend You guys are retarded. It's hard to make more than $150k at any public company. Even harder to break $200. The outliers are private companies (which pay more) and investment banks/startups (which pay in equity). Look at say on pay disclosures if you are really this naieve. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900549) |
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Date: August 1st, 2017 11:25 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33900657) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 1:08 AM Author: Umber wonderful lodge gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901297) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 1:52 AM Author: carnelian irradiated theater stage tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901411) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:09 AM Author: hairraiser gay pervert jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901455) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 12:39 AM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner Smart people from good schools who either go to good law schools or who try hard after college usually maek it. That's what I mean by the top 95% which xoxo generally consists of. Xo is still much smarter than the average message board but it has a much more nihilistic attitude. Glorifying a NEET lifestyle and then hoping fucking crypto currency speculation will save you is... different.
I realize things are a lot harder and even smart people need to prepare earlier, but I feel like the young people on here have given up. Law school is a shit scam because people who go to shit schools despite advice to the contrary can't get jobs. But it is easier than it's been since 2003 to get into a good law school and people from top 10 law schools can still get big law more or less at will. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 1:22 AM Author: Greedy cracking ticket booth I would imagine biglaw sucks a lot more now that it sets you back like 300 grand so people feel pressured to stay even longer for loans, and most here seemed to be pulling their hair out after only a few years, much less like 7-8.
Yes, people can get good jobs coming out of an MBA as well, but that still sets you back a nice chunk of change and two years. And the mba programs which lead to 150-200k F500 jobs 5+ years out are typically some of the better ones to begin with, so you need half-decent experience to get in them in the first place.
Nobody is saying "you can't get paid a lot with a good professional degree", but that "organic out of college corporate paths in a generic cube job where you eventually hit 150k+" are not at all common. It just *seems* common to people in professional circles like yours because you're very disproportionately exposed to the group of people who got on that track. If Joe Caltech had a communications/english/whatever degree from UCLA he is probably not pulling an organic corporate 200k, to say nothing of a standard xo poaster and even less of the standard UCLA grad. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 1:55 AM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner honestly before you college board people took over and brought the weird stormfronters too, an english degree from UCLA would be a below median resume for an xo poster.
It's not that these people are less smart or witty, though some definitely are - the law board was always focused on top 14 schools which attracted better college talent, OR people more focused on the grind. We have a lot more aimless millennials now. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 9:13 AM Author: zippy buff foreskin french chef you are talking so much out of your ass. College board always had the smartest people and probably the most accomplished if you did a survey on where people from 10 years ago are today. Law board attracted a narrow subset of middling iq gunner faggots who thought making $160K for a short period of their lives would make them prestigious and finally make their azn parents love them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901975) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 9:45 AM Author: Violent bawdyhouse An English degree from UCLA is completely typical ugrad background for a T14 law student. The iBanking analysts, STEM backgrounds,etc are the exceptions even within the T14. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33902102) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 11:21 AM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner An English degree from ucla plus a 168-170 LSAT which puts you in another category.
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 1:55 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Not really though. The 168-170 LSAT only matters if you go to law school. Sure, I get that you're using that as a proxy for "reasonably smart" but plenty of reasonably smart people with no marketable skills + UCLA english degree end up wondering WTF they're supposed to do professionally since breaking 6 figs seems daunting. Ergo, exactly why this crowd tends to go to law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903604) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:10 AM Author: hairraiser gay pervert jew This is dumb. Plenty of smart people who do biglaw end up in a dead end. It's not so simple as walk into 200k chill in house based on your nyu degree and three years at Weil. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901459) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:25 AM Author: carnelian irradiated theater stage tattoo "Plenty of smart people who do biglaw end up in a dead end."
Cr, I think about 60% of biglaw attorneys are litigators, so that sounds right. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 8:55 AM Author: domesticated big institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901925) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 9:49 AM Author: Violent bawdyhouse This too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33902121) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 11:24 AM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner It's doable after 3 years and very doable after 5 years, though not all jobs are chill and some pay $150 instead of $200. We are talking about stable 6 figure careers and exit options. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33902661) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 9:05 AM Author: orange federal dingle berry Lol at xo still having smart people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33901953) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 10:46 AM Author: Pea-brained Avocado Principal's Office how did you find it? a nice doctor boy like you wasn't considering LAW, were you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33902410) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 11:20 AM Author: Aromatic New Version Regret She's not wrong but those jobs require a background that lawyers don't have.
They are either MBA students who went through their management training program (entry level rotational type thing). Or have an accounting, tax, finance, marketing, IT, engineering or HR background.
I didn't read the thread but companies aren't just hiring generic people for these jobs. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 11:27 AM Author: Marvelous Turdskin Messiness If I was a shareholder I would want to know why you're hiring MBAs to do bread and butter accounting work that requires a first degree at best (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33902684) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 11:55 AM Author: know-it-all razzle-dazzle school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33902841) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 1:58 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Agreed. Also, getting an MBA/other grad degree defeats the hypo. No one doubts that many in-house lawyers from T14s could have been fine if they got a top MBA instead. The original claim was that they could have "skipped law school" and saved the 3 years + tuition and ended up with the same salary/general outcome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903625) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:04 PM Author: Aromatic New Version Regret Yeah I only know a couple people who are high earners and don't have grad or specialized UG degrees. 1 is handsome and charismatic as fuck the other got the job through nepotism.
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:23 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner If you are in accounting in a random company and are doing really well, you do not need to go to wharton to make the switch over the finance or operations management, you can get a part time MBA from whatever mediocre school for the rubber stamp. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903776) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:29 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse But then you're still getting the grad degree, and this path reminds me of patent agents that go part time for their JDs. Yeah, it is a path, but few will ever want to do it and the result is a terribly boring job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903823) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:32 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner that's not the result for the fake rubber stamp MBA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903842) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:36 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse A few them move up to the really great jobs but they're definitely the exception rather than the rule. Like rarer than making biglaw partner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903869) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:42 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner much more common than biglaw partner. it's available for most people who make it to middle management and want to get into finance or operations either at their company or a different one - if you are still on a promotable track otherwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903912) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 3:27 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse I would generally not qualify typical middle management positions as great jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33904277) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 3:28 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner middle management is the step before the fake MBA. Which then gets you to the upper management 200K jobs at the lower VP or right below the VP level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33904294) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 4:09 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Depends on the place. I've seen a bunch of people get the fake part time MBA as they get to lower management. You're thinking the middle managers that still don't have the fake MBA and get sent there before getting promoted to senior management. Senior management is generally rare, so obviously that's not going to be "normal" or expected for typical smart/hard working people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33904554) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:37 PM Author: Aromatic New Version Regret I included accounting as a specialized UG degree. It's a field where you can do well without having a fancy degree. And I definitely know people who did TTT accounting UG > accounting job > PT TTT MBA > in house finance job at F100.
I don't know the context of the Nutella thread but to me this isn't a generic corporate job. You have to have studied accounting and done well enough to land a job. This isn't really most people who are applying to law school. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 11:43 AM Author: Diverse violent theater party of the first part lol at this thread. There was a fed gov study that looked at college grads 10 years out of school. It compared their fasfa data to their income tax returns (so no self-reported bs). The median incomes were not especially great, even from elite schools. Cracking $100k is not easy. If I had more time I would dig it up. It was in the NY Times' econ blog last year. It's been posted on this board a bunch of times too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33902768) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:00 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse There have been a bunch of these articles in the NYTimes. XO sucks at understanding what is "normal" financially. Of course, Nutella, Earl, etc. have now shifted their position to "well, if you're SMART and AWESOME enough" (but they are only friends with smart and awesome people, so they know a TON of examples) which is also a bit of a circular argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903640) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:04 PM Author: zippy buff foreskin french chef they're also insufferable gooks whose sole purpose on this board for over a decade now has been to brag about themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903661) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:12 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Look, I mean I'm a gaudy Russian that likes performance SUVs and even I'm not willing to pretend that my results are totally typical and nbd. And unlike most of these people, I probably have one of the better claims to a potential alternate career that pays as much since I have a marketable STEM grad degree from a good school. Buy I also know enough people who just didn't make it as the step broke as they were climbing the corporate ladder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33903709) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 2:40 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner Remember we are talking about xo 2005.
Look at your case - you went to a t-14 but were mocked mercilessly in 2005 because of your ambition based on the path you chose - remember "multiple properties."
your situation was probably median for active posters at the time, and your outcome immediately from your law school was sub-optimal (maybe because of grades, maybe because you are a weird Russian fucker which comes out in person, who knows). And yet, even after having a a weird personality (supposedly) and being a median or below median candidate coming from your school at the time you graduated, and dealing with all sorts of career bullshit along the way (including your grad degree, just in case)...
You still managed to get a $200K or more job, because you had okay grades and presumably a decent LSAT score - enough to get into a good law school - and kept trying.
There may be smarter younger people on here than you or me, but they are trying to strike it rich on fucking scamcoins rather than deal with bullshit as it comes along and keep trying. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 4:07 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse I think there's confusion on timelines/facts. I graduated (well after 2005) to a biglaw job (the same one I was a summer associate at) that soon after I started not only paid NYC market but also paid an expat package, so I was doing very well. That ended about as expected given ITE, at which point XO had some fun and I got a kick in the ass (that was more the 2009-2010 range), at which point the PLAN kicked in (that included said grad degree) and I ended up landing on my feet.
I had a decent enough Ugrad GPA, a 169 LSAT, better than a 3.6 law school GPA, etc. But at the end of the day, it is having the right credentials for the right jobs that accounts for me doing well. It isn't being generically smart and hard working, which seems to be the position you and Nutella are trying to promote. That is, of course, necessary but is ultimately not sufficient.
I agree that there are bright kids that are directionless and betting on various get rich quick schemes. That was true in 2005 too and will still be true in 2035. College/Law school/grad school has gotten insanely expensive, and there are ultimately few good jobs (which is my point), which is what is resulting in what we see. I view this as another point in favor of my position here.
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 4:13 PM Author: lime chapel you are usually CR in this sort of thread, even more so in your old age, but you and nutella are both in hardcore asian robot mode ITT. you guys sync up on an abnormal POV here, just like how you both can't wrap your heads around how depression is an actual, diagnosable disease with a physical pathology. you guys are culturally and subjectively inured to the concept and can't seem to grasp that others experience certain things. same thing is happening ITT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33904568) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 4:18 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner maybe fair, but nothing about my robot-ness has to do with being asian. I was raised as white as you can be in Hawaii and all my friends in college were (((white))).
my striver mentality professionally (not educationally at all) came from being poor. the striver mentality is a choice, but it does pay real dividends. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 4:20 PM Author: Aromatic New Version Regret How poor were you growing up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33904617) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 4:48 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner ~$30-40K household income which went down when I was in high school.
We weren't starving, but I ate cheap shitty food for every meal and even though I got almost a full scholarship to my high school, things like the meal plan and books were back breaking compared to the cost of the same in public school. Books and lunches probably cost my family as much as tuition with the amount of aid I received.
Took one trip to Disneyland and one trip to France between the ages of 5 and 18. Not counting two basketball trips I took to CA which were subsidized and two football trips to neighboring islands which were free. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 12:57 AM Author: Aromatic New Version Regret Luis's car costs more than your parents make in a year, faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33907978) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 4:23 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Yeah, but Jewish culture tends to buy into your POV (insular, super-striverish, think they're special and will make it no matter what) from what I've seen. And they're like 1-2% of the population too. Incidentally, I think this is a big reason Asians and Jews intermarry so much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33904645) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 4:49 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner its the opposite of thinking you are special. it's knowing that this positive outcome is expected as accepting nothing less. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33904817) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 4:59 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse That ends up amounting to the same thing. You WILL make it, everyone you know makes it, etc. That's what leads to your poasts ITT too. And ultimately it is BECAUSE you all think you're special. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33904899) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:30 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner and yet we make it to some extent. instead of spending ours praying for crypto to "moon" or a fortuitous meteor.
So maybe we are special in that we have the background, education and put in the effort to put us in the top 5%, but given that xo is definitely top 5% of intelligence overall, the xo 2017 life outcomes are not reflecting that potential anymore. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:34 PM Author: Ruddy twisted toaster national This was my argument in one of the net worth threads.
My friends and I were top 1% outcome for SATs+ugrad, so why is it so hard to believe we remained top 1% outcome for income and net worth? |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:33 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal this is retarded. the entire point (at least my point) is that those jobs are NOT special. you are the one arguing it requires extreme luck to get those jobs.
look, we have been here long enough to know your situation, dont play coy with the OCI thing. you were basically unable to get a job through 2L OCI because you were autistic and needed the help of xo poa to practice interviewing ffs. you are not a comparison point to anyone earl is talking about
would it make you feel better if earl qualified his statemetns "you have to be 95% AND NOT MASSIVE AUTISTIC to get these jobs"? I think we would all be in agreement then |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:46 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner my point, with no offense meant to TMF is that he was probably below median with respect to expected outcomes in xo 2005 and he took a lot of shit for that - but he still turned out fine, because there are plenty of opportunities to turn out fine if you keep trying and work hard - assuming you are in the top echelon of potential that we on xo like to think we are, versus the top 25% idiots on TLS.
Sure half the people in the world are below median, but 75% of the world is too stupid or lazy to be considered in the same conversation. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 6:41 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse My point, simply, is that I was fine because I went to two good grad schools and otherwise my results would have been far worse. This is true for many. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33905663) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 6:48 PM Author: Aphrodisiac disturbing lay Your autism cancels out your school, as evidenced by your oci outcome during the easiest recruiting year ever where they went from $125k to $145k to $160k virtually overnight. If you didn't have autism, but still had your striver work ethic, coupled with your resume, you'd have multiple properties by now. You got to where you are from work ethic mostly, which I respect. Lots of people would've given up long ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33905700) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 10:23 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse And I still ended up getting $160k/year as a summer associate. This is really going back, but if you guys recall, I screwed up my bids which is why when I spammed NYC biglaw and quickly got a position. You know, now that I have more distance from the event I lol at how totally insignificant the entire thing was. It had literally zero impact on anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33906743) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 6:35 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse The fact that you care deeply that I got my 2L biglaw job a month or two later through mail in (despite the fact that my resume looks 100 percent normal) 12 fucking years ago says more about you than me. Incidentally, the reason it came to that was that I fucked up my OCI choices.
The point is that you are extrapolating how shit works in law and MBA jobs to how things work for the masses, including what many T14ers would have been if they didn't go to LS. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 6:52 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal you can recast your oci travails which were documented up and down this bort however you want, i'm not judging you, just pointing it out. your argument is 'i worked hard and barely made it, so it's hard for everyone', my response is 'well you are austistic, and it's hard for anyone who's autistic ie xo 2017'
we can leave it at that |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 9:46 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Yeah, it was completely nbd and I ended up a summer associate at a NYC biglaw firm, ended up getting an offer, etc. When I say "it was hard" that really wasn't what I meant. It was more getting a good in-house position which is the endgame for a lot of lawyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33906422) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:52 PM Author: Aphrodisiac disturbing lay Jesus, $150k GE corporate job at age 33 means you're not a fucking failure at life, not special. lol at the low standards on this board these days.
Ive yet to think of an example of somebody who is both smart and hardworking fail. Lots of people take detours and have a bunch of bad years, particularly after ITE, but everybody who is both lands on their feet. A lot of times, even if you're dumb but still hardworking, you'll still come out ahead over the smart guy who doesn't apply himself. In fact, the failed stories I know of are all of very smart people who sabotaged themselves by thinking they're above taking certain jobs cuz they are "boring" or just didn't want to work hard or are fucking weirdos nobody likes. Gee, sounds like your avg xoxo autist. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:53 PM Author: drunken talking shrine son of senegal i think we're all in agreement that autism is what's crippling xo 2017 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33905350) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 9:38 AM Author: zippy buff foreskin french chef almost all people in that bucket are more successful than you at life by any objective measure (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33909222) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:12 PM Author: Diverse violent theater party of the first part Found the article. There are 10 schools where the median 10 years after graduation was $100k or above. 3 schools with $125+ish medians (MIT, Stanford, Harvard). Remember, this is 10 years after graduation so it includes doctors and lawyers earning six figs. Obviously a six-fig corporate gig isn't that easy to get. Outside of 10 or so schools the medians are pretty low.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/upshot/gaps-in-alumni-earnings-stand-out-in-release-of-college-data.html |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:12 PM Author: Umber wonderful lodge gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33905031) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:15 PM Author: Ruddy twisted toaster national article seems outdated. plus, u shouldn't be grouping in all the psych/history majors. if someone really wanted to take a $15k cs bootcamp, they should be fine.
any top cs program now will have kids making $125k+ after 10 years. caltech, harveymudd, cmu, berkeley, cornell, etc. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:31 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner this also includes housewives maybe? Or R&F consultants who are basically housewives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33905179) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:33 PM Author: Ruddy twisted toaster national Yeah, overall ugrad surveys are dumb for this reason.
In fact, I would be inclined to say remove all females (most have kids 10 years from now) and also take out all the fluff majors.
Pretty sure then you would see the real earning potential of a top 10 ugrad degree. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:42 PM Author: Diverse violent theater party of the first part The survey also does a breakdown by sex. Even if you exclude women, only three schools have medians at 150k. About half of the top 30 elite schools have males with medians below 100k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33905251) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:47 PM Author: fantasy-prone stag film partner "top 30 elite schools" is #fakenews. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33905299) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 6:03 PM Author: Diverse violent theater party of the first part lol man. I appreciate you and nutella's old school xo schtick. It definitely classes up the joint. But you guys are off the mark on this stuff. I know plenty of hardworking and intelligent guys from elite schools with crap jobs or careers. Granted they didn't always follow the "correct" path, but that kind of begs the question. How easy is it to "make it" if even elite grads can't find or stay on the path. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33905412) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 6:30 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33905583) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:38 PM Author: Diverse violent theater party of the first part 4-5 years old is outdated?
"any top cs program now will have kids making $125k+ after 10 years. caltech, harveymudd, cmu, berkeley, cornell, etc."
I don't think the data necessarily disagrees. But at most schools this is a relatively small percentage of the student body. And like biglaw and high finance, those elite programming jobs don't always have easy upward progression. And lol at nutella's notion that there are a ton of 150-200k non-stem corporate jobs out there that most elite grads are getting. Take away lawyers, doctors, and elite STEM grads and you don't have very many getting to 150-200k. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:59 PM Author: Umber wonderful lodge gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33905390) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 6:40 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33905654) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 5:14 PM Author: Ruddy twisted toaster national are we talking $150k all in? So like $125k and $25k in bonuses and whatnot?
that's pretty easy to find, I agree with other poasters. when i hated ibanking i was looking at shit corp dev jobs and they had a lot of these positions open which are barely six figures but 40-50 hours a week. some of them were above my experience level but if ur 30, these jobs are pretty standard.
if you're talking $200k base and $250k all in, that is MUCH harder to do at a large corporation, even for post mba's.
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 10:52 PM Author: garnet lettuce $200-$250k would be a typical manager at any large company.
the formula is simple, just be a supervisor to a small team and strive to get more people under your group. any state school MBA >>> JD, MSCS for this role |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 9:31 AM Author: cerise public bath Typical manager level? LOL no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33909180) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 9:36 AM Author: zippy buff foreskin french chef low level managers don't make $200K at "any large company" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33909209) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 9:55 AM Author: Violent bawdyhouse Lolno (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33909303) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 11:04 PM Author: frozen copper coldplay fan I still have no idea why this is a 300+ post thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33907129) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2017 11:36 PM Author: garnet lettuce people conflating striving/hard work with bullshitting /rising the corporate ladder.
all you need is a MBA (maybe PMP) and be in the right place at the right time. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 12:10 AM Author: excitant dull laser beams Me either.
Who would have thought xo was so invested in an argument about corporate drone jobs? |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 9:18 AM Author: vigorous chocolate personal credit line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33909095) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 9:17 AM Author: vigorous chocolate personal credit line I nominate this whole goddam thread for the "BEEP, BEEP, BEEP" Award of 2017 so far.
Holy fuck.
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 10:03 AM Author: stimulating step-uncle's house wrinkle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33909352) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 3:11 PM Author: Violent bawdyhouse ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#33911453) |
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Date: July 21st, 2020 5:31 PM Author: carnelian irradiated theater stage tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#40641011) |
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Date: July 21st, 2020 5:33 PM Author: misanthropic background story factory reset button fuck everything holy fucking shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#40641018) |
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Date: February 17th, 2022 10:22 PM Author: cobalt out-of-control juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#43986446) |
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Date: February 25th, 2025 7:59 AM Author: balding philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#48692273) |
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Date: February 25th, 2025 8:31 AM Author: Razzle Sadistic Ceo This threat is 8 years old. Those jobs are paying $250 to 300K now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#48692317) |
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Date: February 25th, 2025 8:37 AM Author: slate hideous locus volcanic crater this thread seems quaint. Obama economy really was depressing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#48692323) |
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Date: February 25th, 2025 8:43 AM Author: Claret underhanded filthpig DAT INFLATION THO
$200k in 2017 is $260k today |
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Date: February 25th, 2025 9:20 AM Author: Razzle Sadistic Ceo discro fries makes $350 and is barely scraping by (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3690248&forum_id=2#48692382) |