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N64, Dreamcast had amazing launches and then CRASHED
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Date: September 16th, 2020 5:59 PM Author: Rambunctious Milky Dopamine Range Is Sony connected with the Emperor or something, they have a very high status among Japanese Firms for some reason. As I understand it, their economy isn't "capitalist" per se and some Firms are just closer to the centre of the power than others. For instance, Mitsubishi is just supposed to make worse Cars than Toyota, it's the "rule." Imho the second Sony decide "fuck Nintendo/fuck Sega" they were fucked. Discuss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40931168) |
Date: September 16th, 2020 6:04 PM Author: Rambunctious Milky Dopamine Range Howard Lincoln getting GRILLED on having "no games" like 3 months after releasing the greatest game of all time hitherto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj8Khw3e-e4
....how long did it take for PS2 and PS3 to have, "games," and no one ever criticised them iirc. |
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Date: September 18th, 2020 3:01 PM Author: wonderful background story Games cost too much. I flipped over a picnic table at my house because I bought Toruk Dinosaur Hunter for $80 and it required some sort of expansion pack also. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40942148) |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:08 PM Author: Rambunctious Milky Dopamine Range -N64 and Dreamcast launched strong af because irl gamers were like, "wow just wow, so many Good Games, I will get this console"
-Conversely, PS1/PS2 launched with No Games, Sony making backroom deals to monopolise third party support and FUCK the competition, normies shrug and get PS2s. PS1 launched weak af, nobody cared, but nobody was like, "no gameS!!!!"
Microsoft sees that this is fraud, competes, loses interest. |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:10 PM Author: irate point ? N64 was a massive success |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:12 PM Author: Rambunctious Milky Dopamine Range N64 sold less than Saturn in Japan
PS1 outsold N64 by 3x
Everyone pisses on N64 and pities Dreamcast |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:15 PM Author: Supple avocado trailer park liquid oxygen everyone loved the N64. It sold very well internationally and is remembered fondly by everyone. The PS1 was just better and more innovative (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40931257) |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:20 PM Author: Rambunctious Milky Dopamine Range N64 titles pioneered genres that persist to this day, such as FPSs. The first playable, proper 3D games were on N64.
PS1 specialised in genres which have been proven by time to be fraud, such as JRPGs, 2d fighters, Crash Bandicoot, Gran Turismo, and god knows what else. Time & Natural Selection have proven the essential truth that FPS is *the* genre of video games and there can be no other, and thus that N64 was more historically important than PS1. |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:23 PM Author: irate point Jrpgs and Gran Turismo are not fraud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40931309) |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:26 PM Author: Rambunctious Milky Dopamine Range They were just the best showcase for the technology. If JRPGs had FUNDAMENTAL merit they wouldn't have become permanently shitty in like 2001. Natural selection has rewarded the FPS imho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40931331) |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:28 PM Author: irate point Shitty developers have killed the genre. These idiots have been trying to appeal to the low attention span, FPS addicted millennial by moving away from turn-based/strategy games in favor of action oriented button mashers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40931347) |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 7:47 PM Author: Rambunctious Milky Dopamine Range PS1 and SNES were all but purpose-built for JRPGs, the nature of hardware limitations of the time caused JRPGs to punch miles above their weight for the entire 90s. FF7 et al just looked/played disproportionately well compared to games in other genres of the day.
With hardware no longer a constraining factor, water finds its level with FPSs now at their rightful place as perhaps the *sole* genre of video games. |
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Date: January 24th, 2022 7:40 PM Author: cordovan bearded native Third person shooter, actually. Look at the games people actually enjoy playing - Hitman, GTA, etc. They are 180 for multiplayer too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#43841168) |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:26 PM Author: wonderful background story FPSs make me get motion sick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40931332) |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 7:43 PM Author: Rambunctious Milky Dopamine Range Are you gay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40931736) |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:16 PM Author: irate point Well shit, i did not realize that. All i remember was how much fun my childhood was due to this system (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40931268) |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:19 PM Author: Supple avocado trailer park liquid oxygen the real tragedy is that the snooty japanese refused to buy the strong, masculine XBOX because it was American and didn't have enough shitty turn-based RPGs with insane plots and characters that don't make sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40931283) |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:23 PM Author: Rambunctious Milky Dopamine Range Sony had full control of these 3rd parties behind the scenes for some reason. I can understand either Nintendo or Sega shitting themselves, but the fact that both lost such critical support for no real reason feels like it didn't occur in an above-board manner imho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40931315) |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:27 PM Author: Supple avocado trailer park liquid oxygen what were the cliques of Nintendo/Sega leadership (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40931343) |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 7:42 PM Author: Rambunctious Milky Dopamine Range Tom Kalinske - Prep Hiroshi Yamauchi - azn Hayao Nakayama - azn |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:21 PM Author: wonderful background story N64 games cost too much. Wish I had gotten the PS1 for Christmas instead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40931297) |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:23 PM Author: Supple avocado trailer park liquid oxygen lol you were too poor to have both, what a loser
everyone laugh at this guy |
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Date: September 16th, 2020 6:25 PM Author: wonderful background story I have pulled myself up by the bootstraps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40931326) |
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Date: September 18th, 2020 3:03 PM Author: aromatic stain Saturn had better launch than Dreamcast but then flopped (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40942164) |
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Date: September 18th, 2020 3:06 PM Author: azure massive pozpig Dreamcast was 180 too. I could play power stone all day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40942177) |
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Date: September 18th, 2020 3:14 PM Author: Chartreuse Aphrodisiac Dingle Berry Trump Supporter centre isn't a fucking word (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40942221) |
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Date: September 18th, 2020 3:16 PM Author: lemon messiness N64 did well enough. I wouldn't compare its launch and sales to the dreamcast crash. The PS1 won that console war because it was the cheaper device and the games were on a cheaper medium that was much easier to develop for. I thought the graphics on the PS1 were noticeably worse and the use of super grainy motion picture video a cheap trick to cover for a crappier gaming experience. As the poster above points out, N64 games have had a much longer lasting impact on gaming (goldeneye, donkey kong, perfect dark, smash brothers etc). There's still a market for the system and the games and there's a huge community of people who still play the games on the original system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40942237) |
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Date: September 18th, 2020 4:18 PM Author: wonderful background story This. Good, principled moderate take. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40942575) |
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Date: September 18th, 2020 4:50 PM Author: Rambunctious Milky Dopamine Range There is a reason that Nintendo fans are so much more passionate that it's all but the origin of the millenial/soy meme - https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1330803-soy-boy-face-soyjak - they are passionate af about their precious video games, while PS1 owners each owned 50 games that they played for 12 minutes each.
The point of OP is that from a business perspective, Nintendo found themselves on the defensive right from the beginning. Despite being the entrenched player in the market, it was as though they immediately became Sony's bitch after a 3-month honeymoon period. Every 3rd party developer and every gaming magazine lined up behind Sony. Then came the low blows like this - https://img.cinemablend.com/filter:scale/cb/e/7/8/9/3/9/e78939b5b72c5b60a62abb27564239e696aee54830911a0fef03539f42a6e495.jpg?fw=1200
Maybe I underestimated the demand for middling, cheap games. Like were people so ecstatic to have Tomb Raider for $40 instead of Turok for $60, I don't get it. I thought both consoles' libraries were admittedly top-heavy af but people have always asserted that the PS1 had this bottomless library of games. Each console has basically 10 good games before you get to the point that you're either dumpster-diving, or that you're an aficionado for a particular genre.
N64 - Super mario 64, Mario Kart, Star Fox, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Smash Bros, Banjo, Zelda, Zelda, Star Wars Rogue Squadron/SOTE/Racer, Wave Race. There's a dropoff in quality after this point but it isn't steep imo, still have the wrestling games, 1080, Turok, F-zero, Hybrid Heaven, Paper Mario.
PS1 - FF7/FF9, MGS, FF8 (sucks imo), a bunch more JPRGs, Gran Turismo, Resident Evil, Symphony of the night, then what the fuck else? I know it had Mega Man, Street Fighter, but did anyone care? They sold 100 million PS1s but no game sold nearly that amount, I suspect that that number is a lie of some sort or that people bought the console in 3rd world countries to play CDs or something. |
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Date: January 24th, 2022 7:23 AM Author: Excitant resort roommate you forgot rentals, PS1 owners rented lots of games. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#43836710) |
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Date: January 24th, 2022 7:11 PM Author: Rambunctious Milky Dopamine Range renting is dumpster-diving imho. if a game was good I'd just buy it instinctively, regardless of console. or if you're talking obscure JRPGs, you'd be lucky to find it at a rental place imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#43841054) |
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Date: September 18th, 2020 8:15 PM Author: Rambunctious Milky Dopamine Range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#40944412) |
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Date: January 24th, 2022 7:45 PM Author: cordovan bearded native This is cr. I have batocera Linux running on a modern AMD 6-core desktop. I can emulate everything from Atari 2600 to PS3 flawlessly. I have over 16k game ROMs, including thousands of MAME, SNK/Neo-Geo, PSP and even MSDOS and Amiga ROMs. I've got every PS1 and PS2 ROM.
The systems I find myself playing most often are N64, SNES, Gamecube and NES. Not because I have any fondness or nostalgia for Nintendo, but because the games fucking rule. I'm playing the old non-remastered Ocarina of Time and it's 180. I don't even need it to be remastered, it looks great upscaled on the Glide64 emulator.
My biggest addiction lately has been all the various Metroid hacks. There are a bunch of good ones for Super Metroid. I've played the shit out of Super Metroid lately. There's no other series like Metroid on any other platform. PERIOD.
I use a proper controller for all three systems. Don't play mario on an xbox controller. For original NES it's important to have a two button controller so you don't accidentally hit a nonfunctional button. HTH |
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Date: January 24th, 2022 9:47 PM Author: Excitant resort roommate super metroid's okay but hollow knight is better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#43841896) |
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Date: January 24th, 2022 7:55 PM Author: cordovan bearded native The greatness of N64 was not widely appreciated until the Wii came out and you could download and play the old games. The Wii was the only console I ever spent money on and I still have it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4625922&forum_id=2#43841227) |