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ECONOMY CLASS -- at what height is someone too tall for this?

to sit reasonably comfortably without being in severe pain f...
chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/08/25
Anyone over 6’2” should be buying economy plus o...
soggy national security agency theater
  06/08/25
What about domestic flights? I think it has to be first or ...
chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/08/25
we should actually be buying first class tickets for anyone ...
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chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/09/25
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sepia crackhouse legal warrant
  06/12/25
6’5 and just cop the aisle set and spread out I&rs...
Startling Supple Hospital
  06/08/25
Damn you're tall. Does the person sitting next to you get m...
chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/08/25
Usually spread mostly into the aisle. Everybody has been chi...
Startling Supple Hospital
  06/08/25
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chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/10/25
(Asshole constantly tripping people walking down the aisle)
soggy national security agency theater
  06/08/25
Domestic first is well, well worth the money even at 6'2&quo...
Coiffed giraffe
  06/08/25
Would you do this for a 2 hour flight? Feels like the value...
chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/08/25
I do a ton of 1.5-to-2.5-hour flights and you can regularly ...
Coiffed giraffe
  06/08/25
favorite domestic airline?
chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/08/25
I have not committed to using a single airline, although I'm...
Coiffed giraffe
  06/08/25
I regularly fly first for 1 to 2 hour flights the cost is ab...
Pearl rambunctious locale ratface
  06/08/25
if you're 6'3+, the airline actually pays you to ride econom...
Aggressive Exciting Stock Car
  06/08/25
I'm 6'3". Economy is fine for a two hour flight. For ...
Nudist chapel kitty cat
  06/08/25
like comfort plus on delta? or do you prefer the exit row? ...
chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/08/25
I am less than 6'0, so I have to pay to cling onto a wing.
Aggressive Exciting Stock Car
  06/08/25
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Swashbuckling ebony hall
  06/08/25
Business is pointless unless your on a wide body jet where b...
Glittery sooty orchestra pit
  06/08/25
LOL if you have to ask you're a shortmo
Shivering irradiated pit
  06/08/25
lol I'm 5'8"
chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/08/25
Absolutely devastating
Pearl rambunctious locale ratface
  06/08/25
Given how rare 6'3"+ heights are, it is truly remarkabl...
chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/08/25
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Dashing abode
  06/11/25
I buy mostly the extra legroom because I can’t fucking...
Glittery sooty orchestra pit
  06/08/25
That’s great that you treat yourself on more expensive...
Talented Hairy Legs
  06/08/25
It’s true. But taking my whole family on an airplane e...
Glittery sooty orchestra pit
  06/08/25
if you didn’t do your last solo trip to cali you could...
Talented Hairy Legs
  06/08/25
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Pearl rambunctious locale ratface
  06/08/25
It's because he has no compunction spilling his rolls into h...
concupiscible office wagecucks
  06/08/25
which airline has the nicest seatbelt extender?
Rough-skinned Outnumbered Location
  06/08/25
I have never used a seat belt extender and never will. You&r...
Glittery sooty orchestra pit
  06/08/25
No need to lie on XO we are a supportive community.
Rough-skinned Outnumbered Location
  06/08/25
It’s lame how airlines don’t let fatmos or anyon...
Talented Hairy Legs
  06/08/25
...
Swashbuckling ebony hall
  06/08/25
how fucking short are you that you have to do mental gymnast...
Talented Hairy Legs
  06/08/25
thank you for the deranged asian perspective!
dun university athletic conference
  06/08/25
I’m 6’3 and white. Domestic coach is fine. Prefe...
Talented Hairy Legs
  06/08/25
I always choose aisle over window due to wide shoulders. The...
Pearl rambunctious locale ratface
  06/08/25
aisle means someone bumps into you every time they walk by t...
Talented Hairy Legs
  06/08/25
How fat is the person?
multi-colored chestnut lay
  06/08/25
thin
chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/08/25
A thin 6'1" fits in economy.
multi-colored chestnut lay
  06/11/25
Are the people above all saying they would never fly anythin...
chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/11/25
Being fat, even a little, makes economy much less bearable.
multi-colored chestnut lay
  06/12/25
Regardless of your own size, you can still end up next to so...
Coiffed giraffe
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""'"''""
  06/22/25
Anything under 3 hours domestic the Exit Row is fine if a co...
Rough-skinned Outnumbered Location
  06/08/25
Do you ever fly delta domestic? If so, do you prefer exit r...
chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/08/25
I am an AAmo, if I fly DL or UA I pay for first since I don'...
Rough-skinned Outnumbered Location
  06/08/25
How to choose an airline to be loyal to for status? I hate ...
chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/08/25
Combo of factors AA flies almost everywhere I want to go dir...
Rough-skinned Outnumbered Location
  06/08/25
What factor would you event consider other than whatever has...
Pearl rambunctious locale ratface
  06/08/25
I’m 6’7
stimulating seedy death wish market
  06/08/25
NOUGAT CLASS
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chest-beating fortuitous meteor
  06/11/25
I always fly first - if I die in a crash I'm going to go out...
Ruddy People Who Are Hurt Associate
  06/11/25
“Hey everyone. Here’s my Take as a Tall guy on t...
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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:48 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor

to sit reasonably comfortably without being in severe pain for at least a day afterwards. I saw a guy who looked about 6'2" sitting in regular coach the other day, and he had to spread his legs open just to sit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997247)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:49 PM
Author: soggy national security agency theater

Anyone over 6’2” should be buying economy plus or business

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997250)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:52 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor

What about domestic flights? I think it has to be first or possibly the exit row in coach, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997255)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:23 PM
Author: Swashbuckling ebony hall

we should actually be buying first class tickets for anyone who is TALL. they shouldn’t be paying for anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997342)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:05 PM
Author: Amber Beady-eyed Tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997456)



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Date: June 9th, 2025 1:39 AM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48998496)



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Date: June 9th, 2025 2:13 PM
Author: Rough-skinned Outnumbered Location



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48999936)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 5:01 AM
Author: sepia crackhouse legal warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#49007627)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:51 PM
Author: Startling Supple Hospital

6’5 and just cop the aisle set and spread out

I’ve been bumped to 1st and business class. Just not worth it for me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997252)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:54 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor

Damn you're tall. Does the person sitting next to you get mad when you spread all into their area?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997261)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:10 PM
Author: Startling Supple Hospital

Usually spread mostly into the aisle. Everybody has been chill about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997307)



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Date: June 10th, 2025 5:37 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#49003104)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 11:18 PM
Author: soggy national security agency theater

(Asshole constantly tripping people walking down the aisle)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48998325)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:52 PM
Author: Coiffed giraffe

Domestic first is well, well worth the money even at 6'2".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997256)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:55 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor

Would you do this for a 2 hour flight? Feels like the value proposition of domestic first has declined now that they no longer offer food.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997266)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 3:59 PM
Author: Coiffed giraffe

I do a ton of 1.5-to-2.5-hour flights and you can regularly cop first for like an additional hundred bucks on top of economy.

IMO you'd be fucking certifiably insane to not pay this. You never know when you're going to be stuck on the tarmac for an extra hour or what have you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997277)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:00 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor

favorite domestic airline?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997282)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:07 PM
Author: Coiffed giraffe

I have not committed to using a single airline, although I'm told by people on here that I probably should.

I suppose lately UA has been pretty good to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997302)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:02 PM
Author: Pearl rambunctious locale ratface

I regularly fly first for 1 to 2 hour flights the cost is about the same as economy plus. Might even be cheaper if you have to check a bag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997443)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:05 PM
Author: Aggressive Exciting Stock Car

if you're 6'3+, the airline actually pays you to ride economy

if you were 6'3, you would know this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997291)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:05 PM
Author: Nudist chapel kitty cat

I'm 6'3". Economy is fine for a two hour flight. For a 5-6 hour flight I'll get economy plus. For an 8+ hour or overnight flight I'll want business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997292)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:07 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor

like comfort plus on delta? or do you prefer the exit row?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997299)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:11 PM
Author: Aggressive Exciting Stock Car

I am less than 6'0, so I have to pay to cling onto a wing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997310)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:27 PM
Author: Swashbuckling ebony hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997351)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:32 PM
Author: Glittery sooty orchestra pit

Business is pointless unless your on a wide body jet where business means lay flat seats so you can actually sleep.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997364)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:18 PM
Author: Shivering irradiated pit

LOL if you have to ask you're a shortmo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997327)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:20 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor

lol I'm 5'8"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997333)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:25 PM
Author: Pearl rambunctious locale ratface

Absolutely devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997512)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:41 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor

Given how rare 6'3"+ heights are, it is truly remarkable how many such folks we have on this site.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997551)



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Date: June 11th, 2025 4:15 PM
Author: Dashing abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#49006179)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:30 PM
Author: Glittery sooty orchestra pit

I buy mostly the extra legroom because I can’t fucking move if I don’t. I am already so crammed into those economy seats that it’s unbearable. We flew back from Hawaii (8 hour flight) and I was in economy with my kids and it was rough.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997362)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:49 PM
Author: Talented Hairy Legs

That’s great that you treat yourself on more expensive tickets when you ditch your family to go on pointless vacations by yourself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997409)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: Glittery sooty orchestra pit

It’s true. But taking my whole family on an airplane endeavor is very expensive. I can’t afford it really.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997429)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:06 PM
Author: Talented Hairy Legs

if you didn’t do your last solo trip to cali you could have bought an extra battery for your lawnmower and wouldn’t have had to whine about it here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997459)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:52 PM
Author: Pearl rambunctious locale ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997568)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:04 PM
Author: concupiscible office wagecucks

It's because he has no compunction spilling his rolls into his family's space

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997452)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:10 PM
Author: Rough-skinned Outnumbered Location

which airline has the nicest seatbelt extender?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997477)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:19 PM
Author: Glittery sooty orchestra pit

I have never used a seat belt extender and never will. You’re such a dick, you know that? I love you, but you’re catty as fuck for someone born at home plate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997500)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:20 PM
Author: Rough-skinned Outnumbered Location

No need to lie on XO we are a supportive community.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997502)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:26 PM
Author: Talented Hairy Legs

It’s lame how airlines don’t let fatmos or anyone else book two seats without having to call them. Sucks if just don’t want to share a row with some weirdo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997514)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:33 PM
Author: Swashbuckling ebony hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997531)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:47 PM
Author: Talented Hairy Legs

how fucking short are you that you have to do mental gymnastics on what it’s like to be kind of sort of Tall?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997403)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:57 PM
Author: dun university athletic conference

thank you for the deranged asian perspective!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997435)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:07 PM
Author: Talented Hairy Legs

I’m 6’3 and white. Domestic coach is fine. Preferring aisle over window is a narrow shoulders tell.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997463)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: Pearl rambunctious locale ratface

I always choose aisle over window due to wide shoulders. The fuselage encroaches in an aisle seat, insanely so on regional jets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997573)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:58 PM
Author: Talented Hairy Legs

aisle means someone bumps into you every time they walk by to use the shitter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997583)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 4:59 PM
Author: multi-colored chestnut lay

How fat is the person?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997438)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 8:25 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor

thin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997920)



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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:21 AM
Author: multi-colored chestnut lay

A thin 6'1" fits in economy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#49004159)



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Date: June 11th, 2025 4:14 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor

Are the people above all saying they would never fly anything but first all fat but not actually tall? Seems very likely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#49006175)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 4:55 AM
Author: multi-colored chestnut lay

Being fat, even a little, makes economy much less bearable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#49007625)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 6:25 AM
Author: Coiffed giraffe

Regardless of your own size, you can still end up next to some enormously fat chick with a neck pillow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#49007691)



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Date: June 22nd, 2025 12:06 PM
Author: ""'"''""



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#49039907)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:08 PM
Author: Rough-skinned Outnumbered Location

Anything under 3 hours domestic the Exit Row is fine if a complimentary upgrade doesn't clear but as others noted in most cases domestic F is barely more than econ and it's not worth sweating the upgrade, or even if you buy coach they'll try to sell you a cheap upgrade after the fact. I think i've flown in a coach exit row maybe 3 times in the last 2 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997467)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:23 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor

Do you ever fly delta domestic? If so, do you prefer exit row or comfort plus?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997506)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:24 PM
Author: Rough-skinned Outnumbered Location

I am an AAmo, if I fly DL or UA I pay for first since I don't have status (might have UA Silver, but no useful status).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997508)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:26 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor

How to choose an airline to be loyal to for status? I hate that AA has no screens on domestic flight, but delta honestly seems ghetto as hell now in domestic. Also, people say American is less reliable than delta but I'm not buying it. AA seems a lot better from NYC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997515)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:32 PM
Author: Rough-skinned Outnumbered Location

Combo of factors AA flies almost everywhere I want to go direct from NYC. They also have a lot of flights out of LGA which I hugely prefer over JFK and slightly prefer over EWR. They still have the best award chart in the game with useful partners (JAL F JFK-TYO for 80k miles for example), LMAO at other airline charts. They have good partners but not the best (Star Alliance prob best). Most importantly you can earn 1LP/$1 spend on AA branded cards so you can technically keep top tier status simply by using your ccard without even flying. This allows me to shift more flying to most convenient route/time even if it's not a OneWorld partner, while still retaining status and finally the SWU is extremely useful. Other airlines will either require you buy a higher fare bucket or have extremely limited avail, with the SWU and the frequency of flights between NYC and London, I can on almost any day buy a basic econ ticket to London for like $300, apply a SWU and travel in business. I just booked an AA fare MUC-LHR-JFK for $316 and applied the "free" SWU to turn both legs into biz flights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997528)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:57 PM
Author: Pearl rambunctious locale ratface

What factor would you event consider other than whatever has the most flights/a hub closest to you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997578)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:12 PM
Author: stimulating seedy death wish market

I’m 6’7

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997480)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Rough-skinned Outnumbered Location

NOUGAT CLASS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48997484)



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Date: June 9th, 2025 4:58 AM
Author: stimulating seedy death wish market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48998725)



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Date: June 9th, 2025 1:07 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#48999631)



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Date: June 10th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#49003815)



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Date: June 11th, 2025 6:55 PM
Author: chest-beating fortuitous meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#49006552)



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Date: June 11th, 2025 7:29 PM
Author: Ruddy People Who Are Hurt Associate

I always fly first - if I die in a crash I'm going to go out comfortably.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5734932&forum_id=2#49006652)



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Date: June 12th, 2025 7:25 AM
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