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Rate this 1980 Washington Post review of The Empire Strikes Back

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/...
up-to-no-good hall idiot
  01/20/19
lol: There is one black, Billy Dee Williams as a man who ...
stimulating crystalline spot
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Claret People Who Are Hurt
  01/20/19
amazing how it manages to be super shitlib and super racist ...
razzle shivering foreskin
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angry spectacular lettuce lay
  01/20/19
I miss those old libs
stimulating crystalline spot
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chocolate talented tank kitty
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up-to-no-good hall idiot
  01/20/19
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transparent aromatic native
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Irradiated domesticated dysfunction
  01/20/19
how is that racist?
lake mediation hairy legs
  04/08/19
Yeah, a lot of people slammed ESB when it came out. My very ...
Lascivious Sable Haunted Graveyard Center
  01/20/19
Wrong ☝️
up-to-no-good hall idiot
  01/20/19
Time will tell, brother
Lascivious Sable Haunted Graveyard Center
  01/20/19
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transparent aromatic native
  01/20/19
Whoever wrote that should be tortured and killed
Claret People Who Are Hurt
  01/20/19
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razzle shivering foreskin
  01/20/19
what specific sentence do you think is incorrect?
mind-boggling at-the-ready rigor
  01/20/19
first of all, it contains massive spoilers without a spoiler...
razzle shivering foreskin
  01/20/19
oh shit
mind-boggling at-the-ready rigor
  01/20/19
180 review tbh
angry spectacular lettuce lay
  01/20/19
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up-to-no-good hall idiot
  01/20/19
HOLY SHIT Judith Martin is "miss manners" it's...
mind-boggling at-the-ready rigor
  01/20/19
OH WHAT A CRITIC! OH WHAT A CRITIQUE! is this the author? ...
Garnet casino roommate
  01/20/19
The part about Lando is lulzy
up-to-no-good hall idiot
  01/20/19
"But when light entertainment is done well, someone is ...
mustard laser beams
  01/20/19
Completely CR review, except for saying it’s better th...
Vermilion Blathering Business Firm Feces
  01/20/19
yeah the first one was best. People like Empire Strikes Bac...
mind-boggling at-the-ready rigor
  01/20/19
ESB is better.
up-to-no-good hall idiot
  01/20/19
It’s also a good film, but ANH is in another league. E...
Vermilion Blathering Business Firm Feces
  01/20/19
Lucas is an incompetent director and it shows in A new hope....
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up-to-no-good hall idiot
  01/20/19
Its originator, George Lucas, has revealed that the two pict...
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180 review
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up-to-no-good hall idiot
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Starts off good then takes a weird shitlib turn that made me...
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up-to-no-good hall idiot
  07/13/19
Author is Jewish, right?
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Date: January 20th, 2019 9:53 AM
Author: up-to-no-good hall idiot

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/review97/empirestrikesbackmartin.htm

‘The Empire Strikes Back'

By Judith Martin

Washington Post Staff Writer

May 23, 1980

To call "The Empire Strikes Back" a good junk movie is no insult: There is enough bad junk around. And surely we're getting over the snobbery of pretending that it is undemocratic to recognize any hierarchy of culture, as if both low and high can't be appreciated, often be the same people.

But when light entertainment is done well, someone is bound to make extravagant and unsupportable claims for its being great art. You will hear that this sequel to "Star Wars" is part of a vast new mythology, as if it were the Oresteia. Its originator, George Lucas, has revealed that the two pictures are actually parts four and five of a nine-part sage, as if audiences will some day receive the total the way devotees now go to Seattle for a week of immersion in Wagner's complete Ring Cycle.

Nonsense. This is no monumental artistic work, but a science-fiction movie done more snappily than most, including its own predecessor. A chocolate bar is a marvelous sweet that does not need to pretend to be a chocolate soufflé; musical comedies are wonderful entertainment without trying to compete with opera; blue jeans are a perfect garment that shouldn't be compared with haute couture. There are times when you would much rather have a really good hot dog than any steak, but you can still recognize that one is junk food and the other isn't.

"The Empire Strikes Back" has no plot structure, no character studies let alone character development, no emotional or philosophical point to make. It has no original vision of the future, which is depicted as a pastiche of other junk-culture formulae, such as the western, the costume epic and the Would War II movie. Its specialty is "special effects" or visual tricks, some of which are playful, imaginative and impressive, but others of which have become space-movie clichés.

But the total effect is fast and attractive and occasionally amusing. Like a good hot dog, that's something of an achievement in a field where unpalatable junk is the rule.

In this film, as in "Star Wars," a trio of nice, average-looking young people (Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker, Harrison Ford as Han Solo and Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia) is pursued by a sinister figure in black mask and cloak, Darth Vader. It is hard to avoid the suspicion that Skywalker is dull-witted -- for various reasons, he is hanging upside down during most of this film and is always having to be rescued by the others -- but brave young heroes traditionally are.

There are new bad robots, as well as the good robots, C-3PO and R2-D2, whose humanistic fussiness charmed audiences in the earlier film. A new puppet, representing a great guru but looking like an elderly, Eastern rodent, is a success; an invented beast of burden that looks like the rear half of a cheap camel costume is not. The monkish character played by Alec Guinness is back with sparkling lights on his shoulders and a transparent body to indicate that he was killed off in "Star Wars."

The Future is no longer quite pictured as belonging to white males plus one pedestal princess in a white gown. The princess has put on more sensible clothes for wartime, and there is exactly one other woman in the universe, who can be glimpsed working at the home base. There is one black, Billy Dee Williams as a man who seems to have been set up with his own planet by the Small Business Administration and keeps complaining that he has "no choice" about betraying everyone.

At the beginning and end of the new film, the bad Empire and the good Rebellion are still at odds. The fact is that there is no beginning or end, just several middle-of-the-story chases -- one on ice, several using spacecraft in airplane dog-fight style, and some classic duels, except that the swords are laser beams and use of the mystical "Force" means that one can will one's weapon back in hand after it is knocked away.

As for the idea of the Force, it is a mishmash of current cultic fashions without any base in ideas. It doesn't seem to be connected with ethics or a code of decent behavior, either. Shywalker is never called to account for having behaved unpleasantly to his guru before knowing who he is -- even to the extent of knocking food out of the hungry guru's hand. How many religions of any kind would tolerate a disciples having refused to share his food with his disguised spiritual leader?

But then, you don't go to junk movies for your philosophy or religion, do you?

© Copyright 1980 The Washington Post Company



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625422)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 9:55 AM
Author: stimulating crystalline spot

lol:

There is one black, Billy Dee Williams as a man who seems to have been set up with his own planet by the Small Business Administration and keeps complaining that he has "no choice" about betraying everyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625439)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:03 AM
Author: Claret People Who Are Hurt



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:04 AM
Author: razzle shivering foreskin

amazing how it manages to be super shitlib and super racist at the same time

it really represents a brand of openly paternalistic liberalism that was once quite common but you don't see much anymore except in old libs of RBG's age

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625495)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:09 AM
Author: angry spectacular lettuce lay



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:15 AM
Author: stimulating crystalline spot

I miss those old libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625556)



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Date: April 8th, 2019 11:30 PM
Author: chocolate talented tank kitty



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Date: January 20th, 2019 3:18 PM
Author: up-to-no-good hall idiot



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Date: January 20th, 2019 3:54 PM
Author: transparent aromatic native



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Date: January 20th, 2019 3:56 PM
Author: Irradiated domesticated dysfunction



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Date: April 8th, 2019 11:33 PM
Author: lake mediation hairy legs

how is that racist?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#38060484)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:02 AM
Author: Lascivious Sable Haunted Graveyard Center

Yeah, a lot of people slammed ESB when it came out. My very unpopular opinion is that people will start to regard The Last Jedi more kindly, just like the tide turned with ESB

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625481)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:03 AM
Author: up-to-no-good hall idiot

Wrong ☝️

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625490)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:09 AM
Author: Lascivious Sable Haunted Graveyard Center

Time will tell, brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625518)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 3:55 PM
Author: transparent aromatic native



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:03 AM
Author: Claret People Who Are Hurt

Whoever wrote that should be tortured and killed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625487)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:03 AM
Author: razzle shivering foreskin



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:14 AM
Author: mind-boggling at-the-ready rigor

what specific sentence do you think is incorrect?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625553)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:15 AM
Author: razzle shivering foreskin

first of all, it contains massive spoilers without a spoiler warning

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625558)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:21 AM
Author: mind-boggling at-the-ready rigor

oh shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625585)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:18 AM
Author: angry spectacular lettuce lay

180 review tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625568)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:32 AM
Author: up-to-no-good hall idiot



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:34 AM
Author: mind-boggling at-the-ready rigor

HOLY SHIT

Judith Martin is "miss manners"

it's got that arch writing style she's famous for

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625645)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:34 AM
Author: Garnet casino roommate

OH WHAT A CRITIC! OH WHAT A CRITIQUE!

is this the author?

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/e9/fb/ea/e9fbea3f22f38f129e6dc056066be0b7--red-berets-french-resistance.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625648)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:36 AM
Author: up-to-no-good hall idiot

The part about Lando is lulzy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625655)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:38 AM
Author: mustard laser beams

"But when light entertainment is done well, someone is bound to make extravagant and unsupportable claims for its being great art."

I feel the same way about highly acclaimed superhero movies like Black Panther and Captain America: Civil War or whatever it was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625664)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:42 AM
Author: Vermilion Blathering Business Firm Feces

Completely CR review, except for saying it’s better than ANH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625679)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:47 AM
Author: mind-boggling at-the-ready rigor

yeah the first one was best. People like Empire Strikes Back precisely because it makes pretense to being "art" in a way the first one doesn't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625695)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:52 AM
Author: up-to-no-good hall idiot

ESB is better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625724)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:56 AM
Author: Vermilion Blathering Business Firm Feces

It’s also a good film, but ANH is in another league. Every scene is excellent. ESB just isn’t on the same level.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625740)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 11:13 AM
Author: adventurous buff trust fund dopamine

Lucas is an incompetent director and it shows in A new hope. There’s a lot of original ideas going into it but the execution is clunky. Kirshner knew what he was doing (and credit Lucas for realizing his shortcomings as a director and stepping back) and Empire is a much more polished, complete product because of that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37625795)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 12:09 PM
Author: up-to-no-good hall idiot



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Date: January 20th, 2019 3:57 PM
Author: citrine wonderful resort striped hyena

Its originator, George Lucas, has revealed that the two pictures are actually parts four and five of a nine-part sage, as if audiences will some day receive the total the way devotees now go to Seattle for a week of immersion in Wagner's complete Ring Cycle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37627373)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 4:42 PM
Author: up-to-no-good hall idiot



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Date: April 8th, 2019 11:32 PM
Author: medicated ebony elastic band



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Date: July 13th, 2019 10:21 AM
Author: Cerise razzle-dazzle sound barrier halford



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Date: January 20th, 2019 4:50 PM
Author: free-loading sooty associate

180 review

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#37627826)



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Date: January 20th, 2019 11:37 PM
Author: up-to-no-good hall idiot



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Date: April 8th, 2019 11:25 PM
Author: up-to-no-good hall idiot



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Date: April 8th, 2019 11:33 PM
Author: Elite Tan Death Wish

Starts off good then takes a weird shitlib turn that made me suspect flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#38060476)



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Date: July 13th, 2019 10:08 AM
Author: up-to-no-good hall idiot



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Date: July 13th, 2019 10:21 AM
Author: Cerise razzle-dazzle sound barrier halford

Author is Jewish, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4181830&forum_id=2#38525524)



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Date: September 28th, 2019 10:25 AM
Author: up-to-no-good hall idiot



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Date: February 14th, 2022 5:57 PM
Author: up-to-no-good hall idiot



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