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Does anyone here actually believe in "Native American Genocide"?
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Date: December 26th, 2025 7:32 PM Author: trip lake gaping I always considered this to be a LOW IQ characterization. Never seen any legit evidence other than by LOWER IQ scholars that population decline was caused by anything other than incidental disease exposure. At least for the most part. I'm sure there was some systematic killing as happens with any new population contact. But there is no evidence other than made up BS by LOW IQS that this was a primary cause. And the idea that it was a "genocide" borders on conspiracy theory. IMO it shouldn't be considered real historiography to say it was genocide. Should be treated similar to how "the great replacement" is treated by current media. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541641) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 11:13 AM Author: bossy soul-stirring sound barrier area i think most people say that the decline was like 90% infectious disease.
but it's crazy to say that disease was the only factor. there were literally the "indian wars" and a massive effort to kill all the buffalo, and forced relocation to shitty lands, etc. |
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Date: December 28th, 2025 6:34 AM Author: trip lake gaping Agreed but that other stuff doesn’t constitute genocide (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49544423) |
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Date: December 28th, 2025 6:47 AM Author: shivering nursing home pistol (Ben Shapiro) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49544425) |
Date: December 26th, 2025 7:34 PM Author: Topaz Legend Americans treated the natives pretty shamefully but I don't think there was any particular attempt to wipe them out as such
Certainly there was ethnic cleansing tho |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 7:40 PM Author: trip lake gaping There were some conquests and massacres. But it definitely wasn't the main cause of population decline. And estimates of pre-columbus population vary widely and are often greatly exaggerated by anti-european scholars. Some massacres are to be expected when a land becomes discovered and colonized. That's part of how conquest works. The idea it was a wide-spread intentional planned genocide is pure fantasy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541650) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 10:41 PM Author: Topaz Legend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541975) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 4:56 AM Author: medicated glittery shrine corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542278) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 7:42 PM Author: dark french chef No lol this is one of those total idiot tests
It was an existential conflict that one side won and the other side lost. Entirely incoherent to think about in "moral" terms |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 4:33 AM Author: trip lake gaping I'm not moralizing about it at all. I could care less whether it was "moral" or "immoral" to "genocide" them. I'm saying it is bad historiography to say that was the main cause of the decline. I don't care about morality. Also lol at calling other people idiots and then clinging to a narrative conflict and winner-loser story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542267) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 2:39 PM Author: dark french chef "genocide" is now a moralized term whether we like it or not
there's no longer any word in the english language that describes a factual "genocide" without any accompanying value judgment
but fwiw, the same biased morons who think that the native americans were victims of a moralized "genocide," also believe that they were the victims of a value-neutral factual "genocide" (both are false) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 4:02 PM Author: trip lake gaping okay well sure. now that you put it that way i'd say we agree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543262) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 7:48 PM Author: Odious Kink-friendly Nowag Candlestick Maker the likeliest scenario is that when desoto made it to the mississippi he, and his hogs, brought smallpox along with them, by the time contact was established again well over a century later the vast majority of native americans had died, they just had a black death scenario that never stopped and nobody could write about it, it would appear northeastern tribes avoided a lot of this and they did indeed get pushed out but at that point it was a fair fight, the interior was just an empty wasteland that used to have a lot of indians but did not anymore (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541655) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 10:48 PM Author: Racy judgmental center toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541995) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 4:57 AM Author: medicated glittery shrine corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542280) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 6:41 AM Author: Talented rehab famous landscape painting desoto and his hogs tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542312) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 2:53 PM Author: deranged water buffalo roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543082) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 4:03 PM Author: Vivacious sable range circlehead this. our diseases killed 90% of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543265) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 8:03 PM Author: Arousing abnormal lodge The truth is that the Indians were Stone Age savages completely incompatible with human civilization, their extermination was a prerequisite for progress and was a good thing for humanity as a whole, marred only by being incomplete. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541677) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 9:00 PM Author: Odious Kink-friendly Nowag Candlestick Maker all the evidence we have suggests they were set back considerably by disease for centuries before europeans reappeared, the mississippi and ohian cultures were living in cities roughly comparable to London at the time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541754) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 8:04 PM Author: bisexual bronze hell yarmulke I do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541680) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 8:59 PM Author: Odious Kink-friendly Nowag Candlestick Maker so you don't know very much about history? I'd sure like to see the link where settlers murdered tens of millions of people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541749) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 9:03 PM Author: Cream very tactful boiling water jew The link is called history. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541760) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 9:05 PM Author: Odious Kink-friendly Nowag Candlestick Maker and history does not provide any evidence whatsoever of settlers killing more than a few dozen red men at any given time, I think the sand creek massacre was like less than 50 people and that's the worst one they can find (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541763) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 9:42 PM Author: sapphire hissy fit chapel Sort of true but those incidences of 20-30 killed adds up when the conflict spans over decades Still the majority of the population that vanished died from disease, not violence |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 9:53 PM Author: Odious Kink-friendly Nowag Candlestick Maker not just the majority, damn near all of them, plus the introduction of the horse almost certainly resulted in more injuns getting got on the plains by other injuns than all of the ones killed by whites combined (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541828) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 11:15 PM Author: bisexual bronze hell yarmulke Oh so you've never heard of horse-induced genocide. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542064) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 11:28 PM Author: Odious Kink-friendly Nowag Candlestick Maker I mean that's pretty much a description of what the comanche did, and probably a bunch of others (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542094) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 2:35 PM Author: bisexual bronze hell yarmulke They must be held accountable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543036) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 3:33 PM Author: Odious Kink-friendly Nowag Candlestick Maker that's exactly why John Wayne made The Searchers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543187) |
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Date: December 28th, 2025 6:37 AM Author: trip lake gaping massacres adding up to genocide over decades tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49544424) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 9:03 PM Author: Hairraiser Carnelian Jewess Believe in doing it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541759) |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 9:40 PM Author: sapphire hissy fit chapel They were treated very poorly at times and in places and all in all the conduct was pretty disgraceful That said the pop history/pop culture interpretation of those years is a minefield of misleading to dishonest propaganda on both sides (smallpox blankets is a popular one with no real backing in the record or even period understanding of issues relating to disease) Not really a strategically planned "genocide" but a region-wide set of endless tit for tat ethnic border wars filled with savagery and inhumanity. The US could be doing more to treat native american interests with a bit more gravity today. Building infrastructure in the region would go a lot further for the health of the NA population than many of the current programs; they need more economic outlets, not just the corrosion of the dole |
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Date: December 26th, 2025 9:50 PM Author: Filthy Idiot Really Tough Guy I wouldn’t mind sitting on my ass all day, smoking mushrooms, and collecting government checks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49541823) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 4:36 AM Author: trip lake gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542268) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 2:46 PM Author: Gold marvelous orchestra pit degenerate Smoking mushrooms? lol, you’re obviously a nerd who no one wanted to drugs with in high school and college (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543061) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 4:50 AM Author: crystalline fantasy-prone rigpig lay no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542276) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 4:59 AM Author: medicated glittery shrine corn cake it’s about as accurate as the idea that white men captured African slaves with butterfly nets (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542281) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 9:16 AM Author: Laughsome resort nibblets It is miraculous that we've all agreed to gloss over how the slaves made their way onto the ships. I guess in most kids minds a bunch of white people parked their boat and ran aground chasing blacks to the tune of Yakety Sax |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 11:31 AM Author: medicated glittery shrine corn cake I literally remember seeing a sketch in a book with white guys capturing the Africans with huge nets
I’m pretty sure even I thought that happened at scale until I started posting on xo |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 6:44 AM Author: Talented rehab famous landscape painting Hmm are there any other “genocides” in which a small fraction of the overall population was killed and there are more of that group alive today than at any point before in human history? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542313) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 11:29 AM Author: amber hyperventilating parlour potus yeah i think that's the "white genocide" people periodically babble about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542614) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 9:10 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone weed whacker Oh look, an online crank making an argument that this is not equal to that without defining this or that. Whatever you say he will adjust his vague unstated definitions so he can never be wrong!
In my book if you fight a series of wars in which you regularly kill noncombatants, destroy villages, and ship survivors to worse territory with inadequate food and look on as they die of mass outbreaks, with the result that their population crashes somewhere between 50-100%, you can’t salvage your project as non-genocidal by pointing out that you didn’t literally gun down every man, woman and child until no one could find a single Indian. Under a definition of genocide where the Indians did not experience one, no genocide has ever occurred. I see Jews, Armenians, Ukrainians, Irish, Palestinians and other such types much more regularly than real 100% Indians. |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 9:19 AM Author: Heady People Who Are Hurt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542381) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 10:59 AM Author: maize elite ticket booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542542) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 11:07 AM Author: trip lake gaping The idea that the primary cause of population decrease was disease is the traditional view…meaning not cranky by default. The scholars arguing for genocide that are taken seriously are arguing for “structural” extermination which is far too broad. Regardless the main point is that the people calling it genocide tend to be on the LOW IQ end of the spectrum. I could care less about “definitions”.
Oh nevermind just realized your post is some kind of parody of a midwit Redditor. You had me for a second. |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 3:25 PM Author: Gold marvelous orchestra pit degenerate He’s right to point out you are an online crank and should not be taken seriously imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543156) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 3:59 PM Author: trip lake gaping all of the high iq people ITT are agreeing with me and all high iq historians agree with me. everything else is noise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543251) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 11:17 AM Author: Bearded police squad genocide de facto, not genocide de jure.
if the holocaust was a genocide when most died because of ambivilance, forced marches, labor, etc then there was a lot of genocide here. |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 11:31 AM Author: trip lake gaping If structural driven population decrease by itself is treated as sufficient for de facto genocide then the term is over inclusive. The harm should have to be deliberately mobilized or maintained with the aim of destroying the group. Structural population decrease itself is too thin a criterion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542620) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 11:42 AM Author: Bearded police squad ok.
the whole debate about what qualifies as a genocide is pedantic imo. a lot of policies that intentionally or knowingly caused mass death of a disfavored ethnic group happened with native americans.
how many "true genocides" have there been where the policy was absolute and total erasure of an ethnic group? |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 12:01 PM Author: Racy judgmental center toilet seat Nobody knows because they were absolutely and totally erased from history. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542689) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 12:14 PM Author: trip lake gaping Ummm...well I agree with you that absolute explicit extermination policies are rare, and that historical actors have often operated through indirect or structural means. That is a good reason to avoid overly narrow or naive intent standards. And I agree that arguing over definitions can be pedantic if abstracted away from structure. I'm not someone who likes to endlessly debate details and nuances of definitions either. But what you are implying here with your "policies that intentionally or knowingly caused" statement is basically that if a state enacts policies that foreseeably cause mass death to a disfavored ethnic group, then genocide is at least a *reasonable label* regardless of intent. That is a normative reframing not a descriptive one and the cost of that move is that everything becomes genocide adjacent and "genocide" can collapse into cases of "extreme oppression" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49542717) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 7:00 PM Author: Bearded police squad sounds exactly how things stand in reality.
im not implying anything but pointing out you are just debating in no true scotsman fashion what qualifies as a genocide, which is why you declined to name a true genocide. |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 9:29 PM Author: maize elite ticket booth the term genocide itself is a normative label, genius (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543927) |
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Date: December 28th, 2025 6:01 AM Author: trip lake gaping Laughably false. It is more descriptive than normative in its semantics. The normative implications are downstream. Just because most people think you shouldn’t do it doesn’t make the phenomenon or the label itself normative (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49544416) |
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Date: December 28th, 2025 7:03 AM Author: maize elite ticket booth it was a term created by a Jew for Jewish purposes. can the term ever be used without Jewish moralizing? no, it cannot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin |
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Date: December 28th, 2025 8:14 AM Author: trip lake gaping had never heard of this guy before but jfc at his bio. and yes I agree with your post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49544462) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 2:43 PM Author: bisexual bronze hell yarmulke 1990-ongoing = The de facto genocide of whites in America (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543055) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 2:34 PM Author: trip lake gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543035) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 2:55 PM Author: deranged water buffalo roast beef Also the bison weren't hunted to near extinction, every normie dumbass thinks this cause of a pic of a pile of skulls, they were wiped out by cattle borne disease they had no immunity to and the surviving bison are not pure genetically but have a lot of cattle DNA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543086) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 2:59 PM Author: dark french chef also the indians were and would have continued to hunt them into extinction without white people doing anything
once they had guns they just went out and killed as many buffalo as possible |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 3:00 PM Author: deranged water buffalo roast beef Cr and they are wiping out salmon runs with netting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543100) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 3:04 PM Author: dark french chef yeah these people are fucking niggers and it's pathetic and infuriating that "we" are now giving them exclusive rights to fuck up the environment for profit
total indian death imo both the pajeets and the feather ones |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 3:08 PM Author: deranged water buffalo roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543120) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 4:00 PM Author: contagious bonkers mad cow disease odd, white people don't believe the genocides they are 100% behind! never seen this one before! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543255) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 4:06 PM Author: trip lake gaping if colonial domination and disease that result in population decrease are the same as genocide then I'm willing to admit white people have committed genocide as a rule more than an exception (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543269) |
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Date: December 27th, 2025 5:13 PM Author: medicated glittery shrine corn cake the only reason muzzies havent completely genocided Jews and others is because you are logistically and intellectually incapable of doing so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5814381&forum_id=2#49543383) |