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Max IQ to believe in "dualism"
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 7:42 PM Author: The Penis Even for things like interactionist dualism and epiphenomenalism I'm pegging someone who believes in this at a max of somewhere in the mid-60s in terms of IQ. They survive empirical counterexamples in only the broadest sense as formally describable alternatives, but not as serious explanatory alternatives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017807) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:12 PM Author: masc fit hung stud seeking cock Dualism is the philosophical theory that reality consists of two fundamental, irreducible elements or principles. Depending on the context, it emphasizes the sharp distinction between independent or antagonistic sides, such as the material and the immaterial, or good and evil.
Mind-Body Dualism
In the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, mind-body dualism is the view that the mind (the mental realm) and the body (physical matter) are fundamentally distinct and both real.
Substance Dualism:
Most famously championed by René Descartes in the 17th century, this asserts that the mind and body are two completely different substances. The mind is an immaterial, thinking entity, while the body is a physical, spatially extended entity.
Property Dualism: This variation argues that there is only one physical substance, but it possesses two distinct fundamental properties: physical properties and mental properties.
Metaphysical and Religious Dualism
Beyond the mind, dualism applies to broader reality and theological concepts:
Cosmic Dualism: The belief that the universe is governed by two opposing, often antagonistic principles, such as Good and Evil, or Light and Darkness (prominent in ancient traditions like Zoroastrianism).Platonic Dualism: Traced back to Plato, it separates reality into the imperfect, changing material world and the perfect, unchanging realm of "Forms".
Psychological and Behavioral Dualism
In psychology and everyday reasoning, dualistic thinking involves reducing complex issues into simplistic binaries (e.g., us vs. them, rational vs. emotional). While it helps organize thoughts, it can also lead to oversimplification, polarization, and a lack of empathy.
Dualism directly contrasts with monism (the belief that reality is made of only one substance, like physicalism or idealism) and pluralism (the belief in many substances). For a comprehensive look at the arguments for and against this concept, explore the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:16 PM Author: The Penis Yeah Descartes was a genius but we have come a long way since the 17th century (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017897) |
Date: July 22nd, 2026 7:43 PM Author: going pumo irl idk it's fucking stupid though, cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017809) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 7:46 PM Author: The Penis I think the biggest error they make is turning an explanatory or representational gap into an ontological gap, which is wildly low iq. Only reason these explanations survive at all is historical and cultural bias. Everytime I see the words "qualia" or "qualed" written in serious argument I basically burst out laughing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017816) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 7:50 PM Author: going pumo irl i can't, my qualia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017833) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 7:53 PM Author: The Penis Yeah I think the lowest IQ part is when you ask someone "do qualia make any causal difference?". If no, then qualia cannot cause reports, memories, decisions, avoidance, learning, or beliefs about experience. If yes then they are physical unless you define "physical" by some weird criterion noone would accept. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017839) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:18 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter this is a straw man reading of the actual position (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017902) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:23 PM Author: The Penis Nah. Either qualia causally affect reports, memory, and behavior or they don't. If they do, explain why a law governed cause with physical effects is still “nonphysical.” If they don't then how could we know or report anything about them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017915) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:23 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter look up global workspace theory you fucking twat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017916) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:26 PM Author: The Penis GWT makes my point! It explains how these things become available through physical information becoming globally available. Either qualia are that physical workspace activity (in which case they are not nonphysical) or they are something extra, in which case the original causal dilemma remains. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017929) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:26 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter go talk to an LLM dumbass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017930) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:27 PM Author: going pumo irl agreed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017933) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 10:09 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:..:. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018206) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 7:54 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter there are no hidden variables. mediocre iq dorks like to think neutral monism is a high iq move. in reality it's just wishy washy bullshit. it's obvious there are 2 substances: res extensa and res cogitans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017842) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 7:55 PM Author: The Penis Calling two substances obvious does not explain how the second one interacts with the first without either becoming physical or becoming causally irrelevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017846) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 7:58 PM Author: going pumo irl the explanation is Magic (this is what they actually believe btw) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017851) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 7:58 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter it doesn't matter. i don't have to explain to universe to demonstrate the alternatives are wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017854) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:03 PM Author: The Penis If res cogitans affects brains, speech, memory, or behavior, then it belongs to the law governed causal structure investigated by natural science. Calling it “nonphysical” needs a substantive criterion. If it has no physical effects, then it cannot explain why anyone reports, remembers, or forms beliefs about experience. Why would that demand an entire theory of the Universe? It is testing whether the proposed "second substance" can perform the role you assign to it without just being another natural variable or a causally idle appendage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017870) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:04 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter no one takes the causal closure of the physical seriously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017873) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:09 PM Author: The Penis That is false, but also irrelevant.
Suppose physical causal closure is false and res cogitans affects the brain. Then specify the interaction. What physical states does it change, under what conditions, according to what regularities? And how could its contribution be distinguished from ordinary physical causes? Once it has systematic, detectable effects, it becomes part of the empirical causal ontology.
Rejecting causal closure only makes interaction logically available. It does not establish two substances, explain their boundary or solve the interaction problem. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:11 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter i dont need to specify the interaction. very few philosophers are reductive physicalists. it's an absurd position. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017882) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:14 PM Author: The Penis Most philosophers rejecting reductive physicalism does not imply Cartesian dualism. Nonreductive physicalism is an obvious alternative. And if your theory says two substances interact, the interaction is not an optional detail. Refusing to specify it does not defeat rival views. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017889) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:15 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter nonreductive physicalism is basically dualism. they're identical in basically every implication. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017893) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:19 PM Author: The Penis No. Nonreductive physicalism says mental properties are wholly dependent on physical systems and cannot exist or vary independently of them. Substance dualism says a distinct mental substance can exist in principle apart from the body. That's a pretty big ontological difference despite them both being anti-reductionist if you consider the implications. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017904) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:22 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter that's not even right. many NRP's say higher emergent layers act downwards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017914) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:28 PM Author: The Penis Downward causation does not make it substance dualism. A nonreductive physicalist can say organism-level mental states causally constrain lower level processes while still holding that those states are realized by, and cannot exist independently of the physical organism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017935) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:28 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter you dont have a grasp of the fundamentals (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017936) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:32 PM Author: The Penis Then identify the fundamental distinction I missed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017951) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:32 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter im good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017952) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:24 PM Author: potluck substance dualism and property dualism are both “dualism,” the title of ur thread brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017924) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:30 PM Author: The Penis Yes, both are called dualism. The dispute is whether nonreductive physicalism is therefore “basically identical” to substance dualism. It is not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017944) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:31 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter youre a total retard. no one is a substance dualist anymore. everything about substance dualism got shoehorned into NRP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017948) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:35 PM Author: The Penis Then stop appealing to labels and state your own position. Are qualia physically realized or not? Do they causally affect brains and behavior or not? Can they exist without a physical organism or not? Answer those directly instead of calling everything "basically dualism". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017958) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:36 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter no. the mainstream position is NRP and its basically dualism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017964) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:38 PM Author: The Penis That is a SOCIOLOGICAL claim. I'm not asking what is mainstream or what label you attach to NRP. Are qualia physically realized? Do they causally affect the brain? Can they exist without a physical organism? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017969) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:38 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter if you think ur stupid ass is gonna solve philosophy of mind ur stupider than i thought (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017973) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:41 PM Author: The Penis Who said I was going to “solve philosophy of mind”? I asked you three basic questions about your own position, and instead of answering them you invented a claim I never made (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017989) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:42 PM Author: have you ever looked at a quarter there is essentially no disagreement on the major facts. if you want to argue about minutia or defend an absurd position as some kind of performance art to get back at your mean dad im not interested. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017993) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:47 PM Author: The Penis The fuck is the point of even poasting here if you aren't interested in performance art? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018006) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:16 PM Author: going pumo irl yeah because if physicalism is true they'd be out of a job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017895) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 9:59 PM Author: The Penis I think midwits find it compelling to believe in a magic non-physical layer regardless of whether they will have a job. They think any residual between representation and reality is evidence for an additional substance. Like dude, the equations for thermodynamics don't actually contain heat ITSELF "WITHIN" them man, there must be something non-physical here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018173) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:27 PM Author: Shema Yisrael this shit uses sufficiently technical and opaque language that i cant tell if you people are smart or midwits playing tautological logic games ad infinitum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017931) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:28 PM Author: potluck there are highly technical highly interesting issues involving words itt but this is a retarded thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017934) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:32 PM Author: lex Thought this would be about metaphysical dualism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017950) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2026 7:14 AM Author: FizzKidd (probably not even asian) cr thought this would be the final takedown of Consuela and MiG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018677) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 8:33 PM Author: Jared Baumeister It doesn't require you to count higher than 2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50017954) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 10:20 PM Author: The Penis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018241) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 10:22 PM Author: Israeli-American professor of Holocaust and genoci ~120 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018252) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 10:30 PM Author: The Penis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018272) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2026 11:46 PM Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth) i would've said 110 or 120. but if there's a creator who has given us free will (and the term is meaningful) then hey maybe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018487) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2026 5:15 AM Author: The Penis Why would you need a magic non-physical layer to have free will? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018608) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2026 9:22 AM Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth) if you think you don't need an additional layer, could you please explain how you think free will is possible?
if determinism is true, and you knew all of the matter and mechanisms and trajectories and cause/effect relationships on earth, you could predict the future. maybe quantum mechanics complicates this because it adds randomness, but imho that doesn't really help the argument in favor of free will being possible. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2026 9:30 AM Author: The Penis Free will doesn't require an uncaused or nonphysical mind. It means that your actions arise through your own capacity to evaluate reasons, model alternatives, and choose among physically available options. Even if determinism were true, your deliberation would still be part of what determines the future. Adding randomness or a nonphysical chooser would not make the choice any freer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018839) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2026 5:25 AM Author: steffan miller How is freshman year of college (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018610) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2026 5:29 AM Author: The Penis 18000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018611) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2026 9:22 AM Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth) cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018832) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2026 10:09 AM Author: scholarship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018880) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2026 7:30 AM Author: imagine if the races were reversed 260+ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885256&forum_id=2#50018699) |