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Joe Rogan learns myocarditis is more likely from Covid than the vax
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:24 AM Author: Irradiated Stock Car https://youtu.be/efC8q4pmd00 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43782084) |
Date: January 14th, 2022 8:29 AM Author: burgundy charismatic gay wizard trailer park lmao at "Rogan" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43782096) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:32 AM Author: talking excitant toaster Rogan, and ameriKKKans in general don’t understand basic statistics, risk/benefit, absolute vs relative risk, etc
They also don’t get that you can make the right decision but have a bad outcome and make the wrong decision and have a good outcome
No nuance or gray area here. Everything black and white
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Date: January 14th, 2022 9:16 AM Author: mildly autistic piazza main people It's funny you post that and then go on ITT to fail to understand:
1. The exposure risk is 100% when you get vaxxed, it's much less than 100% with COVID
2. The studies that test myocarditis in covid patients almost exclusively are looking at people on deaths door in the hospital. Of course troponin levels will be elevated in people who are near death. They likely show strain on all organs. The key is what's the rate of cases with just myocarditis in healthy people.
3. The studies that look at myocarditis rates that adjust for seroprevalance actually show the vax has higher rates in men than covid (UK and Canadian studies). The US studies on this have been dogshit.
4. Any analysis of myocarditis risk needs to look at Omicron, it does nobody any good to tell is what past variants risks were. Do you want to bet the rate is much lower with Omicron?
5. Implicit in all of this is that once vaxxed, you substantially lower or eliminate the myocarditis risk if you were to get COVID. There is no evidence of that. You might have been able to infer that it would since the vax lowered severe symptoms and death in alpha and delta strains, but it's totally ineffective at Omicron so you sure as hell cannot make that claim now.
6. You also need to show that's someone previously infected, like Rogan, would be better off also getting a vax than relying on natur immunity for him to avoid myocarditis if he got infected again. There is zero evidence of that and if anything we know natural immunity is more effective than the vax, so vaxxing after having been infected likely just exposes you to the risks of the vax with no offsetting protection
7. Any assessment of myocarditis risk wrt the vax needs to build in the cumulative risks for subsequent boosters. We know, for example, they cut the dose of modern in half for boosters and restrict it away from young people and men exactly because it was causing myocarditis at very high rates. Show me the math whereby 7 boosters later your cumulative risks for myocarditis is still lower than covid infection (you can't) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 9:27 AM Author: scarlet elite pistol knife 2. The studies that test myocarditis in covid patients almost exclusively are looking at people on deaths door in the hospital.
That's just flat out wrong. Did you actually watch the video or read anything linked by it? |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 9:52 AM Author: mildly autistic piazza main people The US data cited there is complete horseshit. Another doctor, pro-vax btw, tried to recreate it and found they missed a number of reported cases because of how US reporting and coding systems work. Here is a video going over it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_df67JdhGB8
We also have the best possible data coming out of the UK and Canada. They have fullsome studies that look at the total population rates.
The UK data shows a higher rate in that young male demographic, especially for Moderna:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0
And the Ontario data shows that is higher across the board in that young male risk category:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.02.21267156v1.full.pdf
As an aside, the actual rate of myocarditis post vax is somewhere in the 300-400 per 1mm (and much higher for triple Moderna shot folks). Any study that proports to have 1/10th the rate is lying. |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 10:05 AM Author: scarlet elite pistol knife found increased risks of myocarditis associated with the first dose of ChAdOx1 and BNT162b2 vaccines and the first and second doses of the mRNA-1273 vaccine over the 1–28 days postvaccination period, and after a SARS-CoV-2 positive test. We estimated an extra two (95% confidence interval (CI) 0, 3), one (95% CI 0, 2) and six (95% CI 2, 8) myocarditis events per 1 million people vaccinated with ChAdOx1, BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273, respectively, in the 28 days following a first dose and an extra ten (95% CI 7, 11) myocarditis events per 1 million vaccinated in the 28 days after a second dose of mRNA-1273. This compares with an extra 40 (95% CI 38, 41) myocarditis events per 1 million patients in the 28 days following a SARS-CoV-2 positive test
That's from your own fucking link. |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 10:38 AM Author: mildly autistic piazza main people Hey dipshit, look at the under 40 data, and then also think about the male/female split, which is not even taken into consideration. Then finally think about the denominator effect since infections are understated, in contrast we know exactly how many vaxxes were given.
Nobody is arguing that grandma shouldn't take the jab. The point Rogan was trying to make, and that OP is disputing, is to answer the following question:
"Does the risk of side effects, especially myocarditis, make it unwise for healthy young men to get vaccinated?"
In that context, any study that does not stratify by age and gender is not going to give you the full picture. We know there are major discrepancies in side effects from the vax based on demographic differences. This is also why I posted the ontario data, which does look at that young male cohort on its own. |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 10:45 AM Author: scarlet elite pistol knife You mean this under 40 data, again from your own link?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0/tables/4
Here's a spoiler: yes, one vaccine does significantly increase risk in the under 40 population. However a positive COVID test increases risk MUCH more.
Note: because it's going to be your boilerplate comeback, I am not right now arguing vaccine effectiveness. I am stating something from your own fucking link, which is that a positive COVID test is much more strongly correlated with myocarditis risk in <40 individuals than any type of vaccine.
Now, let's also consider how COVID is not particularly dangerous to those under 40. Considering how few people in this age bracket die of covid, which has significantly higher IRRs for these conditions than any of the vaccines, what does that say about how a vaccine should impact health in individuals under 40? |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 10:53 AM Author: mildly autistic piazza main people Your not looking at males under 40. Here is a pdf to the same study where you can see the stratified data:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1.full.pdf
The risk (incidence rate ratios) for <40 males is as follows (pdf page 9):
COVID infection: 2.02 2nd dose pfizer: 3.41 3rd dose pfizer: 7.60 2nd dose moderna: 2.34 3rd dose moderna: 16.52*
Your barking up the wrong tree here dipshit.
Are you actually a doctor? It must be a punch to the nuts that your getting slapped around by a McDouble-obsessed retard finance guy in your own field. What a farce.
I should also add the OP video is Rogan talking about young men/kids. The data is even worse if you look at 16-24 which is the peak risk for vax induced myocarditis
* In fairness, there is adverse selection for dose 3 in this data set so we can assume the rate is pretty high, but obviously 16+ is not realistic if you assume normal population characteristics. |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 10:58 AM Author: scarlet elite pistol knife You switched links and aren't even going to address what I posted, but let's go with what you responded with.
"The data is even worse if you look at 16-24 which is the peak risk for vax induced myocarditis"
From that paper: "An association between COVID-19 infection and myocarditis was observed in all ages for both sexes but was substantially higher in those older than 40 years"
in addition:
"In males aged less than 40 years, we estimated an additional 3 (95%CI 1, 5) and 12 (95%CI 1, 13) myocarditis events per million in the 1-28 days following a first dose of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273, respectively; an additional 14 (95%CI 8, 17), 12 (95%CI 1, 7) and 101 (95%CI 95, 104) myocarditis events following a second dose of ChAdOx1, BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273, respectively; and an additional 13 (95%CI 7, 15) myocarditis events following a third dose of BNT162b2 vaccine. This compares with 7 (95%CI 2, 11) additional myocarditis events in the 1-28 days following a positive SARS-CoV-2 test. In older males, we estimated 3 (95% CI 2, 4) and 73 (95% 71, 75) additional myocarditis events per million following a third dose of BNT162b2 and a positive SARS-CoV-2 test, respectively."
So wow, you have two papers saying broadly the same thing: some of the vaccines will elevate risk to that near COVID itself. Others are well below COVID. They are not in 100% agreement about the numbers because this is still (relatively speaking) early research, but there is one very clear trend: the vaccines themselves have the tendency to cause myocarditis risk relatively comparable to COVID itself (which is not a shocking side effect). Why is nobody talking about how DEVASTATING covid induced myocarditis is in the younger age group? Because the raw numbers are still really fucking low even on the "high" end. There is one particular scenario of one vaccine that significantly elevates risk above myocarditis in one paper, which is hardly overwhelming evidence; and even if that is the case, the overall risk is still extremely low given the number of people under 40 who have had COVID is absolutely massive and few have had myocarditis complications. |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 11:04 AM Author: Purple talented turdskin haunted graveyard Oh great so we should mandate the jab for this group so…they can later get COVID and practically double the risk? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43782751) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 11:07 AM Author: scarlet elite pistol knife Yes that is definitely what I am arguing about and not the actual raw numbers of myocarditis risk. But thanks for assuming all my personal views to prove you are a fucking robot spitting out talking points.
I like CGM but I think he is wrong here; that said, his position is at least defensible. You are just flat embarrassing yourself with some stuttering "b-b-b-ut! HA-HA!". |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 11:14 AM Author: mildly autistic piazza main people The data you quoted clearly shows the average sub 40 male who gets #1, #2, and soon #3 jabs of Pfizer, or especially Moderna, is more likely to get myocarditis than someone who just caught COVID. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43782808) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 11:27 AM Author: Purple talented turdskin haunted graveyard I’m asking what the point is of this pedantic garbage if not to make a larger point about relative risk you dipshit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43782906) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 11:13 AM Author: mildly autistic piazza main people 1. I switched links because the pdf had the full study with the stratification. Its the exact same study. You can cross reference it yourself if you would like.
2. So you just posted a quote that says that if you got Moderna #2, incidence would be 100 per mm and if you got covid it would be 7 per mm and you think your proving your point? Can you not read what you just posted, let me sum it up for you:
If you are a male under the age of 40, you are more likely to get myocarditis from the vax than from COVID itself. ESPECIALLY if you get Moderna.
You also ignore all my other points which further pile on here:
1. 100% exposure risk with vax, some fraction of that with COVID
2. No data on myocarditis risk for Omicron (likely even lower than for Alpha/Delta). So COVID is mutating to have lower chances of causing myocarditis while the vax risk stays constant.
3. No evidence that someone who took the risk and got the jab and subsequently gets COVID does not have an additional risk of myocarditis from their COVID infection.
4. No evidence that subsequent boosters will not cumulatively add to the risk of myocarditis (they clearly do given the dose 3 data I presented).
The list goes on. Its irrefutable. You are wrong. |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 10:58 AM Author: Purple talented turdskin haunted graveyard Again, if you can get COVID after the vaccine what is the point of comparing the risk? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43782712) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 11:22 AM Author: metal property >The exposure risk is 100% when you get vaxxed, it's much less than 100% with COVID
holy shit you are fucking retarded and bad at statistics
*notices the moniker*
ah |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 11:30 AM Author: mildly autistic piazza main people You roll the dice 100% of the time when you get vaxxed. To the extent that COVID has infected 50% of the populace, as things stand now, you only have a 50% chance of rolling the myocarditis risk dice for COVID.
In otherwords, even if the risk per 100k was identical between vax and covid, the vax would still effectively carry twice the risk (assuming my 50% infection rate is ballpark accurate) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 11:15 AM Author: harsh laughsome elastic band hominid I'm not reading this subthread or clicking all the links.
Can any reliable poasters judge for the bort who won here? Tyia |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 11:18 AM Author: mildly autistic piazza main people Even if dose #1 and #2 of the vax has a lower rate of myocarditis (it most certainly does not). The pro-vax crowd is still wrong, because you can still catch COVID after the vax, your going to be subjected to more shots that cumulatively add to risk (#3 has a massively higher rate of myocarditis than #1/#2), meanwhile the actual control risk (catching COVID and getting myocarditis) is declining as Omicron is way less impactful.
In other words, we are being asked to accumulate higher and higher risks for myocarditis with boosters, at the same time that the virus itself is weakening. Even if Delta or Alpha did have a higher risk originally, Omicron sure as shit does not now. |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:32 AM Author: Purple talented turdskin haunted graveyard Good thing the vaxx prevents you from getting COVID!!!
*blank stare* |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:33 AM Author: talking excitant toaster Good thing seat belts prevent you from getting into accidents
*blank stare* |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:36 AM Author: Purple talented turdskin haunted graveyard Seatbelts substantially reduce the risks from an accident and in some cases (like ejection from the car) prevent them completely. And we know that from decades of testing.
The vaccine increases risk of myocarditis without preventing the risk of getting COVID. It’s unclear whether they even meaningfully reduce the risk of getting COVID. So what sense does it make to compare the relative risks of these two outcomes if you can have both outcomes occur to you? |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:38 AM Author: soul-stirring bistre stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43782114) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:39 AM Author: talking excitant toaster Did you watch the vid in Op?
Covid is 8x (relative risk) of getting myocarditis vs vaccine
Vax also reduces severity of symptoms of covid
I guess you’re advocating not getting the vax and hoping you don’t catch covid. Better hunker down and mask up
Or just get the vax so even if you do get covid it will be less severe |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:43 AM Author: Purple talented turdskin haunted graveyard The studies I’ve seen suggest the vaccine is a 10 per million added risk and COVID is 40 times. Link to a study that says getting the vaccine reduces that 40 per million risk from getting COVID? Or are you just spitballing because MSNBC told you it reduces severe illness and you equate that with risk of getting myocarditis?
Oh and btw that 10 per million vaccine risk is heavily concentrated in healthy males under 40. For a group of 12-17 year old males in a study that came out in December for example the risk from vaccines was 68 per million. So these experts will conflate overall risk from COVID with concentrated risks that effect certain vaccinated groups more and use that to justify broad mandates even for young healthy males. |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:52 AM Author: talking excitant toaster You’re moving goalpoasts like Rogan
You’re also equating getting myocarditis to actual severe illness and death. How many of those myocarditis kids are getting severely ill and dying from myocarditis?
Vax saves lives. Even against omicron
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2117995 |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:55 AM Author: Purple talented turdskin haunted graveyard The fucking thread is about myocarditis. Now you’re the one moving the goalposts suggesting it really doesn’t matter because myocarditis can be mild. And you’re the one who must be conflating myocarditis and severe illness otherwise you have to concede the point I’m making that the vaxx doesn’t prevent the risk of getting myocarditis from COVID.
You have literally no evidence that getting the vaxx for that population they are discussing then reduces the risk of getting myocarditis from COVID. |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:58 AM Author: talking excitant toaster Lmao at 98 IQ dolts like you and Rogan so obsessed with myocarditis instead of severe illness and death Jfc our society is really doomed |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 9:02 AM Author: Violent ultramarine bawdyhouse death wish lol reminder libs really actually believe covid is dangerous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43782196) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 9:20 AM Author: Purple talented turdskin haunted graveyard Ok so you concede I’m correct about myocarditis risk but now I’m an idiot because that shouldn’t matter. Thanks bro.
Now let’s see. We know the vaccines increase risk of myocarditis but don’t have any evidence suggesting they reduce that risk from getting COVID. We at least suspect that the vaccines increase bio markers consistent with Acute Coronary Syndrome per that AHA study. And we have tons of anecdotal evidence of people dropping dead of heart issues right after the vaxx (in the case of that 49 year old NYT reporter) or having non-lethal heart issues. Bear in mind this is only what gets through the massive filter the media places on everything that isn’t pro-vaxx. And bear in mind this is only what we know/suspect now — we have no idea of the long term side effects. Oh, and we need to acknowledge that no MRNA vaccine has ever been approved previously because of the side effect profile they have always exhibited.
Now I’m willing to concede that none of these things definitively prove that the vaxx is causing severe heart issues, but at a minimum, it’s worthwhile to proceed with caution and ask questions. And it’s certainly not idiotic to hold off on getting a booster while this plays out. But libs like you treat this like a religion and proceed in blind faith. Yea, I’m the 98IQ one.
Oh, and what is the risk of severe illness and death for healthy young males which was the basis of Rohan’s conversation again? How many millions have likely gotten COVID and how many have died again? |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:55 AM Author: rambunctious self-centered stead boltzmann "Vax also reduces severity of symptoms of covid"
Preposterous. This might be true in the vulnerable population, but there are too many instances of the exact opposite being true in the young healthy population for me to take this claim seriously. |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:40 AM Author: burgundy charismatic gay wizard trailer park vaccines worked, for a few months, for pre-omicron strains. If you use today as a starting point and are currently unvaxxed though, it would make no sense to get vaccinated when Omicron is the overwhelming strain and the existing vaccines offer zero protection against it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43782121) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:43 AM Author: talking excitant toaster If your outcome is simply not getting omicron then the vaccine doesn’t do much, I agree
If you’re outcome is severe disease and death then the vaccine is still worth getting
Depends on what you care about i guess |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:51 AM Author: burgundy charismatic gay wizard trailer park wrt Omicron, it seems like the vaccine provides ~zero protection against either infection or severe outcomes based on the Canadian data (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43782158) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 11:30 AM Author: stimulating cocky area How many people are being hospitalized/dying from omicron?
The people actually hospitalized "from COVID" right now have Delta |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 11:25 AM Author: metal property getting covid isn't the risk
suffering bad symptoms due to covid is the risk
no one gives a fuck if they have covid; they give a fuck if they get REALLY SICK from it |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 8:44 AM Author: talking excitant toaster Joe eats wild game over an open fire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43782129) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 9:01 AM Author: Violent ultramarine bawdyhouse death wish lol is this the "content" that board libs watch in their free time? "the rational national?" lmao look at that twink!
also ljl at the vax having any % chance of causing myocarditis as opposed to a disease-causing respiratory illness. oh, what a panacea! |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 10:54 AM Author: Vibrant Candlestick Maker Dysfunction I hate videos like this where it's a tiny clip of the subject matter and then some guy talking about it for 7 minutes.
I can make up my own mind. Just show me the clip. |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 10:55 AM Author: Cerebral brindle center deer antler Very lol that Rogan is like, "whatever I found on google most recently is the truth" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43782696) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 10:57 AM Author: Passionate amber international law enforcement agency parlour he has certain fallacies in his thinking that are easy to see if you follow him.
he's big on "progress" is necessarily good/new is better. he's doesn't REALLY understand the nature of institutional capture. he's still asking "whatever happened to the new york times?" and it's not a rhetorical question. |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 4:50 PM Author: Honey-headed tantric boistinker jewess I like how libs think someone realizing that they are wrong is a sign that the person is dumb or that the show isn't worth watching.
Hint - this is WHY people listen to Rogan.
If MSNBC had a Jamie fact checking their shit, everything ont he show would be refuted. |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 10:05 PM Author: Aphrodisiac genital piercing I have not seen CGM get his asshole ripped in half like this since the pizza scammer days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43786394) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 10:36 PM Author: Big mentally impaired school queen of the night Are you retarded? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5007142&forum_id=2#43786505) |
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Date: January 14th, 2022 10:38 PM Author: mildly autistic piazza main people My reasoning is unassailable.
Even if myocarditis risk was somehow higher from infection, the very fact that vaxxed people catch covid at a similar rate to the unvaxxed blows the entire pro vax position apart
EDIT: I just want to add the below link of a fully vaxxed soccer player coming down with myocarditis. It hit shortly after both a COVID infection and a booster, but even if I grant that COVID caused it: If, after triple jabbing, you can still get COVID and it can still give you myocarditis, then the math that the pro-vax cucks use is totally wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOsUUaqTGQY |
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