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I suspect most American slave owners treated slaves well

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Jews actually controlled the slave trade. They owned the boa...
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any names of some of these historical figures, or are they l...
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Prudent Betty
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Elihu Yale et al
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Isle of Man public school teachers need to include this in t...
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I guess if you ignore the fact that they were, ya know, ensl...
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That’s such a lib answer
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It's a semantic argument.
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slave owners should be thought of as shitty not because of h...
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It was certainly in a slave owner's interest not to damage h...
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The Rednick Manifesto is a must-read.
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my ancestors' slaves stuck around after the war, we were goo...
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The government interviewed a bunch of ex slaves in the early...
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u generally treat ur property well, esp when u paid a lot fo...
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Slavery basically sounds like a lib utopia. free housing, f...
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holy furk
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cr except libs don't want "maximum productivity"
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yes they do. why do you think they pushed the idea that all ...
Concupiscible Pit
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it much harder to amke somoene willing to do that rather tha...
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The ruling class did that to uproot the people and accustom ...
Excitant nursing home
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Why do they care about ceaseless change?
Concupiscible Pit
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Why do communists want to erase the family and rewrite human...
Excitant nursing home
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Alternatively, it makes the ruling class more rich
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That's a tertiary side effect The goal is to secure their...
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Marx said the pussy would be free. Abolition of the family w...
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Libs would let them own the cotton they picked. They wouldn'...
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Yeah, but it's NOT OK unless the slave masters are Jews.
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There are plenty of written accounts and photographs of slav...
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That’s just selection bias. The most gauche and brutal...
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They were escaping to Indian tribes. The Indians knew what w...
provocative cream coffee pot
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Bunch of Indian tribes owned slaves bro. https://www.aljazee...
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Minority of cases is still too many
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are not we all slaves today with only a different master?
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same master. kike finance
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Date: August 29th, 2024 11:48 PM
Author: Yellow ticket booth mediation

And I further suspect that the narrative pushed in schools that blacks were dehumanized and abused by their masters was likely true in a vast minority of cases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026352)



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Date: August 29th, 2024 11:54 PM
Author: self-absorbed bawdyhouse

Jews actually controlled the slave trade. They owned the boats, ran the auctions, and pocketed the profits. Odd how that's never mentioned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026368)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 8:57 AM
Author: Carmine chapel french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026998)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 10:05 AM
Author: titillating dun travel guidebook

any names of some of these historical figures, or are they largely scrubbed from the history books?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48027230)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 10:11 AM
Author: self-absorbed bawdyhouse

Once I'm done with my morning shit, I'll find the evidence for you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48027239)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 6:15 PM
Author: harsh kitty nowag

Long shit!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029386)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 9:02 PM
Author: Bearded scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029991)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 9:25 PM
Author: self-absorbed bawdyhouse

https://i.imgur.com/MDlt5CF.jpeg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030050)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 11:12 PM
Author: provocative cream coffee pot

Prudent Betty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030428)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 9:16 PM
Author: Smoky kitchen potus

Elihu Yale et al

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030018)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 6:29 PM
Author: provocative cream coffee pot

Isle of Man public school teachers need to include this in their history lessons to kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029441)



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Date: August 29th, 2024 11:49 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal bonkers selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026353)



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Date: August 29th, 2024 11:51 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle new version temple

I guess if you ignore the fact that they were, ya know, enslaved

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026363)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 12:11 AM
Author: insanely creepy amethyst theatre elastic band

That’s such a lib answer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026441)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 11:20 PM
Author: provocative cream coffee pot

It's a semantic argument.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030449)



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Date: August 29th, 2024 11:52 PM
Author: stimulating copper brethren

slave owners should be thought of as shitty not because of how they treated their slaves but because they believed (quite retardedly and greedily) jewish merchants when they showed up with a bunch of africans and told them theyd work really hard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026366)



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Date: August 29th, 2024 11:54 PM
Author: self-absorbed bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026371)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 12:10 AM
Author: Gay Crackhouse

A great bargain for you, my friend!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026438)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 9:55 AM
Author: sienna heady stage feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48027214)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 11:21 PM
Author: provocative cream coffee pot

It was also too goddamn hot for whites to work in that climate. They all complained about it. That made them more susceptible to the sales pitch that "these folks are used to it, no problem."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030450)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 11:40 PM
Author: mint hairless native multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030473)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 11:43 PM
Author: Lascivious site pistol

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030475)



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Date: August 29th, 2024 11:53 PM
Author: Motley Costumed Meetinghouse

It was certainly in a slave owner's interest not to damage his property, which he paid a lot of money for. They were provided free room and board, and got Sundays off. Nevertheless, the work was likely not easy when they had to do it, but most agricultural workers are not working 12+ hour days like lawyers are, and physical discipline was utilized when slaves were lazy or sabotaging things. I think a good comparison is probably Americans held in North Korean prison camps. Check out Kenneth Bae's account: "In the interview, Bae sat in a room next to a door and a radiator. He calmly described his current prison life as eight hours of farm labor – which he had never done before – with a break in the middle of the day and lunch. He was also filmed clearing the fields, wearing black gloves and a hat as a guard stood watch nearby." https://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/03/world/asia/kenneth-bae-korea-interview/index.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026367)



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Date: August 29th, 2024 11:58 PM
Author: glassy appetizing stag film idea he suggested

The Rednick Manifesto is a must-read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026388)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 12:12 AM
Author: Exhilarant antidepressant drug

my ancestors' slaves stuck around after the war, we were good people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026442)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 7:14 AM
Author: Excitant nursing home

The government interviewed a bunch of ex slaves in the early 1900s and a lot of them said they missed it. Now if you try to read those interviews there’s a big disclaimer on the website.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=24FThxQYCXI&t=1270s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026841)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 7:20 AM
Author: adventurous wrinkle casino

u generally treat ur property well, esp when u paid a lot for it which is what each nigga was since they werent cheap i think

and on top of that if u treat them well they will work and not cause as many nigga probs

and some birdshits even pounded the pussies of their nigga slaves, which shld be viewed as being NICE to them, if u were mean to a woman wld u really want to furk her slimpit esp a NIGGA GORILLA look ape bitch?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026844)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 7:22 AM
Author: Concupiscible Pit

Slavery basically sounds like a lib utopia. free housing, free healthcare, free education, guaranteed employment, plenty of community green spaces for kids to play, income equality, housing equality, community policing, deemphasizing the nuclear family in favor of community and maximum productivity. All things libs want to this day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48026846)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 8:59 AM
Author: Carmine chapel french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48027001)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 9:55 AM
Author: adventurous wrinkle casino

holy furk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48027210)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 10:10 AM
Author: Gay Crackhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48027236)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 10:16 AM
Author: self-absorbed bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48027249)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 10:38 AM
Author: Narrow-minded Office Juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48027356)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 2:16 PM
Author: Excitant nursing home

cr except libs don't want "maximum productivity"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48028230)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 2:58 PM
Author: Concupiscible Pit

yes they do. why do you think they pushed the idea that all college grads need to move 1000s of miles away from their homes to hellscape cities in order to truly be "successful". no different than a slave being sold away from his family to go to a more prosperous plantation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48028510)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 2:59 PM
Author: Brass thriller abode really tough guy

it much harder to amke somoene willing to do that rather than forcefuly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48028513)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 3:06 PM
Author: Excitant nursing home

The ruling class did that to uproot the people and accustom them to ceaseless change

If you introduce change to a settled community with strong social bonds rooted in family, history, tradition and active participation in civic life, then you get a lot of resistance

Now we are pliable to arbitrary change, no matter how absurd, and have no solidarity or ability to collectively resist social engineering

The "productivity" angle is post hoc rationalization

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48028530)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 4:43 PM
Author: Concupiscible Pit

Why do they care about ceaseless change?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48028942)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 4:47 PM
Author: Excitant nursing home

Why do communists want to erase the family and rewrite human nature through state coercion and environmental determinism?

Tikkun Olam

It’s a satanic religious directive that conveniently dovetails with the political objective of eliminating rival groups or otherwise rendering them powerless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48028968)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 9:13 PM
Author: Concupiscible Pit

Alternatively, it makes the ruling class more rich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030013)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 9:30 PM
Author: Excitant nursing home

That's a tertiary side effect

The goal is to secure their power in perpetuity by rendering white people unable to challenge them ever again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030071)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 9:21 PM
Author: provocative cream coffee pot

Marx said the pussy would be free. Abolition of the family was necessary in order to facilitate "community of women." I'm not sure what modern justifications have been put forth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030032)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 2:33 PM
Author: thirsty comical orchestra pit masturbator

+ systematized pounding out of white women by black men with large penises

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48028358)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 7:09 PM
Author: Talking dragon station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029620)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 7:15 PM
Author: provocative cream coffee pot

Libs would let them own the cotton they picked. They wouldn't be able to sell it for money but they would be free to weave clothes and make canvas tents and consume oil from the seeds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029640)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 7:34 PM
Author: Supple school cafeteria ratface

Libs would have some complex system whereby the slaves "owned" the cotton in name only, but in reality they paid taxes on it and had to keep the rest in a convoluted structure that gave no actual ownership rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029718)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 7:25 PM
Author: Painfully honest greedy hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029679)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 7:32 PM
Author: Supple school cafeteria ratface

Yeah, but it's NOT OK unless the slave masters are Jews.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029712)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 11:57 PM
Author: mint hairless native multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030491)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 9:56 AM
Author: irradiated fighting church

Yeah seems pretty obvious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48027217)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 2:40 PM
Author: umber field old irish cottage

There are plenty of written accounts and photographs of slavery that seem brutal. There’s also the fact that the light brown blacks common in the US now are the mixed race result of the master slave rapes which were common at the time. A better line of defense is that life was often brutal for people living in that era. The level of suffering was slightly higher for slaves compared to their peers though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48028420)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 2:52 PM
Author: irradiated fighting church

Wow. Yeah. If I know anything about women, it's that they definitely wouldn't voluntarily sexually submit to the most dominant man in their immediate sociosexual vicinity

Women are NOT like that. These women were cruelly Raped, against their will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48028484)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 4:45 PM
Author: umber field old irish cottage

Except getting pregnant by massa would often get you shipped out by his wife or worse. And what woman wants tiny pink massa dick instead of BBC?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48028959)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 6:20 PM
Author: honey-headed church building

motherfucker you think some birdshit was more titillating than a bunch of strapping jet black congo niggers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029408)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 6:27 PM
Author: fiercely-loyal bonkers selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029433)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 7:09 PM
Author: Talking dragon station

That’s just selection bias. The most gauche and brutal cases are going to be the ones that attract the most attention. Kind of like today, most marriages are perfectly happy, but reading lib media you’d think every marriage was either polyamorous or abusive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029616)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 7:29 PM
Author: provocative cream coffee pot

They were escaping to Indian tribes. The Indians knew what was up. There was even a 16th century slave who got famous as an ambassador to Indians. They would kill whitey on sight by that time but if they saw a black dood they were like whatever.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estevanico

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029698)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 11:56 PM
Author: Tan People Who Are Hurt

Bunch of Indian tribes owned slaves bro. https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2018/12/27/how-native-americans-adopted-slavery-from-white-settlers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030488)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 3:00 PM
Author: vivacious house useless brakes

Minority of cases is still too many

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48028514)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 7:16 PM
Author: Flushed Death Wish

are not we all slaves today with only a different master?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029646)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 8:55 PM
Author: milky beady-eyed trailer park

same master. kike finance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029984)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 9:01 PM
Author: hyperactive twisted pocket flask cuckold

There were multiple historical periods IIRC with respect to life as a slave in the U.S. Towards the end, life was quite harsh for slaves since southern plantation owners were heavily in debt and resorted to further exploiting slave labor to juice whatever additional margins they could secure to have cash flow to meet interest payments.

One of the reasons the UK lowkey supported the south was that, in addition to keep America divided, they had a vested stake in British banks/merchants getting their money back from southern American cotton growers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48029988)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 11:13 PM
Author: provocative cream coffee pot

Wasn't there an issue with us needing to generate our own domestic supply of slaves because Europeans weren't bringing over any new ones after a certain point?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030433)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 9:29 PM
Author: Laughsome area

the more pertinent observation is that black slaves in america lived way better than blacks in africa, on average, at the time of their slavery

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030065)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 11:11 PM
Author: Sooty High-end Stead

Farmers treat their machinery like it is made out of gold. All their money is tied up in it and that's how they make their money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5585665&forum_id=2#48030426)



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Date: August 30th, 2024 11:19 PM
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Date: August 30th, 2024 11:59 PM
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