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Date: September 30th, 2024 2:40 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond their glib ghoulishness is off the charts. it almost feels like an anti-zionist psyop. these people are viscerally dislikable and evil. you'd think the people in charge of the MSM would be better at PR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48146788) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 2:48 PM Author: very tactful sapphire center It’s almost like they believe non-jews aren’t people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48146821) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:00 PM Author: Cerise concupiscible immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147052) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:20 PM Author: Internet-worthy Market Fortuitous Meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147338) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:28 PM Author: geriatric indian lodge toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147379) |
Date: September 30th, 2024 2:51 PM Author: contagious stage brethren Karlstack being accosted by kikes on Twitter recently is a great example. Disagreeing with them about anything is the equivalent of being Hitler. They make the stakes so high and are unwilling to compromise. They would prefer burning this country to the ground than accepting less $$$ for Israel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48146833) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 2:52 PM Author: 180 factory reset button rehab It makes it extremely difficult to take the high road (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48146836) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:12 PM Author: Lavender Genital Piercing really? even after Karlstack buttlicked that odious billionaire jew for a month? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147101) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:32 PM Author: contagious stage brethren shocking brother I know. that's what's so crazy about this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147176) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:25 PM Author: Chestnut home pistol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147369) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:13 PM Author: flesh cruel-hearted abode poast the comments (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149675) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 2:59 PM Author: honey-headed submissive piazza electric furnace go look at "rabbi" "shmuley"s X account. it's hard to believe he isn't a psyop, and i think he might be. he's like very crude antisemitic trope in one ugly person. he literally looks like that hand-wringing cartoon jew caricature. his account is video after video of him following people around on the street yelling at them, after they allegedly said something anti-semitic to him (that part is never on the video, though, weird case).
he is doing wonders for based JQ types |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:27 PM Author: Chestnut home pistol > he's like very crude antisemitic trope in one ugly person
They are all like this. See DBG, CSLG, or sealclubber. This is how they all are. These are not exceptions. This is them. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:00 PM Author: red hominid chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48146860) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:00 PM Author: chartreuse vivacious library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48146862) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:17 PM Author: honey-headed submissive piazza electric furnace https://x.com/RabbiShmuley/status/1840240268617904251
https://x.com/RabbiShmuley/status/1839545981248979029 |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:26 PM Author: alcoholic stage patrolman He almost tried to hit me!! Infuriating. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:29 PM Author: honey-headed submissive piazza electric furnace he perfectly encapsulates the jew psyche. make facts up to fit your narrative (which is okay to do because let's face it, the guy probably would like to hit him with his car anyway right so might as well say he DID try to almost try to come close to hitting him), blow things way out of proportion, you are ALWAYS the victim, even when you're accosting someone in their car or trying to walk away from you on the street. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48146951) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:59 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147047) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:14 PM Author: Cerise concupiscible immigrant https://x.com/Leon_vid_cast/status/1839571187216576811 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147110) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 3:40 PM Author: Bateful cruise ship tank He almost tried to hit me!! Was the first laugh all day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48150873) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:28 PM Author: peach excitant university lol, insane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48146949) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:22 PM Author: Internet-worthy Market Fortuitous Meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147351) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:21 PM Author: 180 factory reset button rehab the videos showing the Mizrahi (some uniformed, some not) chanting and celebrating the various mass murders they're committing/about to commit have been nauseating to witness i understand war, the necessity of the espirit du corps, whatever. but dancing around cheering and celebrating the routine murder of women and children is insane no matter the conflict |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:25 PM Author: peach excitant university > but dancing around cheering and celebrating the routine murder of women and children is insane no matter the conflict
it's insane. they get a sick joy out of it. so many videos of ordinary israelis celebrating the deaths of civilians while turning around and telling us that "islam breeds hate" |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:27 PM Author: honey-headed submissive piazza electric furnace it's astounding that they just keep doing it. i guess it's ingrained and they've been doing it for decades so it'll take a while for them to realize they need to stop, but it's just nuts. countless videos of them on X, tiktok etc ridiculing dead civilians. these people are vile. sealclubber chief among them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48146945) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:24 PM Author: peach excitant university i've thoroughly enjoyed them blowing their covers after 10/7, it feels so good for the world to see these monsters for who they are. we've known the truth about these people for decades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48146934) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:08 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond i've always been an anti-zionist. but i never really cared that much beyond not giving israel endless aid and that they should stand on their own two feet. israel's conflicts with it's neighbors didn't seem that different from all the west's conflict with natives they stole land from, and since we're not going to turn the clock back to 1945 any more than we're going to turn it back to 1492 and give america back to the indians, my thoughts were pretty much "the people living in the middle east can work out who owns the land, just like everywhere else."
10/7 and since really exposed how vile and bloodthirsty they are. this isn't two groups of people trying to figure out how to live where they were born and get along. it's about jews oppressing and eradicating their neighbors and expanding endlessly while kvetching the entire time about how they're the victims.
i still don't think i'd intervene on behalf of the muslims but does the US have to back them and give them endless money to do apartheid in perpetuity? |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:29 PM Author: honey-headed submissive piazza electric furnace the kvetching is fucking unbelievable. and remember that hamas probably killed 700-1000 people on 10/7. the remainder were likely killed by friendly fire. but just assume all 1200 were hamas. they have obliterated gaza and rendered around 2 million people homeless and destitute and killed probably 50k people, and that number will ultimately grow to well over 100k. but talk to an israeli about it and 10/7 was on par with the holocaust. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147164) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:35 PM Author: peach excitant university 10/7 was 15 9/11s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147181) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:59 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond and it's how they feel that this justifies any response at all that really hammers home how ghoulish they are.
let's say that israel are the good guys and were trying to work with palestinians in good faith. how does the actions of who they themselves describe as a terrorist group justify obliterating everyone? it would be like if we nuked charlottesville because of the "domestic terrorists" there.
any and all criticism of their operations is met with accusations of "antisemite!" and "oh, so israel CAN'T DEFEND ITSELF?" there is literally nothing sealclubber and CGM types will not defend. they are completely allergic to arguing in good faith. 10/7 happened therefore no amount of brutalism is off the table. it's bloodthirsty retaliation against people who most had no involvement in hamas.
and when you point this out you just get met with scoffs and derision. i kind of want israel to exist and chill out because i don't see a plausible way israel disappears without the us getting involved in huge conflict. but they refuse consider whether criticism of their brutality is anything but antisemetic apologism. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:02 PM Author: peach excitant university TCR is to become a virulent outspoken antisemite in response. They're done here with the Holocaust card, soon the antisemite card won't work either. Doubling down is the only response to Jewish sophistry IME. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147260) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:19 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond see below as being responsive to this. i think doing that just gives the sealclubber sophists legitimacy and hurts the cause.
you're never going to win over the true kike sophists. but you at least have to *pretend* "not all jews haha" if you want to get enough support to turn the tides against israel's influence. because if it does come down to jews versus muslims as you predict, the us will go with "jews" if they can paint the pro-muslim people as antisemetic. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:19 PM Author: peach excitant university you don't get these people my friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147544) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:42 PM Author: peach excitant university yes. but 10/7 also showed that america is not simply a donor state, without a competent administration at the helm who could provide cover i think people were inadvertently exposed to all the levers of power jews actually control in this country, how our principles are largely a sham, their dual loyalties, and from there it is not a stretch to see how the decline of the american empire in service of jewish interests can find an allegory in the palestinian story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147192) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:49 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond yeah but i view these as two separate things. realizing that israel is in the wrong is one of the first steps towards realizing all the other shit you're talking about it. it's the same awakening a lot of americans had when they realized 9/11 wasn't about a bunch of muslims "hating us for our freedom." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147211) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:06 PM Author: peach excitant university well it's not two separate things, if the dollars stopped flowing tomorrow they would still subvert american institutions to benefit israel in other ways. "let them fight their desert wars" is something i've read here often, but it's an incoherent position because they control this country to a frightening degree too, and push comes to shove the American military is simply an extension of their own. it's a gross simplification of what's going on, at some point america will have to choose between the jews and the muslims. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147267) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:17 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond i think one (israel being a brutal apartheid state) is evidence of the other. but i worry that actual antisemetism based on israel's behavior is misguided and likely to make anti-zionists be unsympathetic. especially because i have several jew friends that are extremely pro-palestine.
if we could find a way to point out that israel as a nation (but not all jews) are the bad guys and subverting our own nation, that'd be great. feuntes types that want to do the same thing to all jews that they are doing to all muzbros makes the anti-israel people easy to caricaturize and exactly why sealclubber and CGM types repeat "antisemite!" all the time. it's the same gameplan the made the GOP "the party of racism" for decades. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:18 PM Author: peach excitant university you can and should do both. holocaust denialism started in online communities and now it's becoming the mainstream position, that's how you'll eventually neutralize the antisemite label too. because knowing jews, if you don't neutralize the label they will take good faith arguments made by the kindhearted anti-israel bros and label them antisemitic anyway.
of course virulent antisemitism cannot and should not be the mainstream position. but on xo, twitter, etc., you need to call a kike a kike when he disingenuously characterizes good-faith criticisms as antisemitism, and also at other times tbf lol. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:30 PM Author: honey-headed submissive piazza electric furnace how on earth could germany have killed 6 million people?
and if they killed that many, why are there so many fucking "holocaust survivors"? |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:33 PM Author: peach excitant university it's obvious hogwash. same people minimizing the deaths of palestinians today inflated their own deaths back then. sick people, they disgust me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147574) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:32 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond twitter is mainstream. that's what i'm talking about -- it hurts your own cause.
you can argue the objective facts about what israel is doing without adding "and btw all jews are like that." i'm not a pollyanna and i know that stereotypes are broadly true. but at the same time i realize that there are always exceptions and regardless any identity based policy is repugnant to most people and therefore engaging in it is self-defeating if your goal is to actually move the needle.
i'd rather say "we should punish violent crime" without handicapping myself by adding "which is committed 10x more frequently by niggers." |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:40 PM Author: peach excitant university haha yeah i still don't think you get these people. the only language they understand is force, whether it's verbal or physical. they didn't get kicked out of everywhere they've ever been because people took the high road with them and they understood that as broadly good and noble.
what you're arguing for inevitably leads to kikes subverting the "good jews" and destroying any momentum you might create.
i'm telling you, we have experience and we have history. this time will not be any different than it's ever been.
that said, of course any language that suggests "all jews are like that" isn't good language but that's because it's dumb and untrue, not because it's offensive. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:55 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond you sound the same as the jew i'm arguing with trying to convince me "all muslims are like that."
i'll judge individuals as individuals and nations as nations. jews like chomsky and finklestein have done more to expose israel for being a brutal aggressor in the region than fuentes and co making ovens memes on twitter ever will. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 7:03 PM Author: peach excitant university except i'm arguing against saying "all jews are like that."
he is arguing that islam is based on the tenets of terrorism and pedophilia, which is verifiably untrue, while i'm not making any such claims about judaism, i'm saying that kikes (not jews) should be called kikes when they are being kikes in limited circumstances (online communities, etc.), but that "all jews are kikes" should not be the mainstream position. this is based on an understanding of these people that i think you lack.
i'd advise you also keep our relative vantage points in mind. he is arguing from a position of strength, as israel murders people by the thousands, and his argument is that we're all bad. i'm arguing from a position of weakness, and my argument is that the bad ones should be identified as such and isolated to the fringes where they belong so that adults can have a chance to reframe the debate. and you're saying we're just as morally repugnant as they are? lol c'mon man |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 7:14 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond i gotchu. my only disagreement is that i think kikes should be called kikes only on obscure racist chatblogs and irl amongst likeminded friends who will understand what you mean. in the same way that i'll call out niggers for being niggers even with black friends irl.
and my reasoning is practical. of course i don't actually give a fuck if people are offensive. but i don't want to alienate the midwit normies masses who have a better chance of getting redpilled on israel if twitter comments aren't full of kike pepe memes. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 7:18 PM Author: peach excitant university we good homie. as always i think we agree more than we disagree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147715) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 7:21 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond i don't think we disagree at all except for whether using slurs around normies is wise, and even on that i'm not 100% as it might be more effective to radicalize a smaller percentage of people who are willing to act than trying to win the hearts and minds of midwits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147735) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 8:22 PM Author: passionate locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147931) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:09 PM Author: Carmine office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147088) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:09 PM Author: dull senate background story what do you propose they should say in response to what is going on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147089) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:11 PM Author: Jade mischievous macaca hairy legs Something less tone deaf and not so jewy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147095) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:16 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond how about acknowledging that they bare *some* responsibility for muslim's being upset at them and work in good faith to resolving it? polling for a two state solution used to be very high. now it's in the toilet, because israelis and their neighbors don't trust each other at all.
until israel acknowledges that they aren't innocent lambs and their neighbor's animus toward them isn't based on pure antisemitism there will be no progress. but that seems unlikely, given that even on anonymous message borts the zionists defend every atrocity israel commits. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:19 PM Author: Boyish resort https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9G_aKyXgAArexq?format=jpg&name=medium
Look at how tiny Israel is compared to the land controlled by the Musbros. Really hard to believe that controlling yet more land is going to do it. What's more, Palestinians were offered a two state solution and rejected it. There demand is for everything and the extermination of every Jew on the planet. So Israel's options are war or to submit to being genocided by Muslims.
The war is 100% the fault of musbros. Not 90%. Not 99.9%. Not 99.999999%. We need to get to the point where muslims love their children more than they love murder. 13 centuries into the history of islam, we're still not there. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:33 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond "israel needs to accept that they bare some responsibility for the conflict and work in good faith to resolving it."
"israel is 100% right. as evidence of this, check out this map that shows that everyone is the region is against israel. we're outnumbered and surrounded! don't, uh, look at casualities or anything like that though haha. look how big sudan is! scary!!"
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thank you for rushing in to prove my point that zionists are the ones being unreasonable and are COMPLETELY INCAPABLE of recognizing they are anything but 100% a victim. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:36 PM Author: Boyish resort Bro, Israel would be happy to stay within its territory-- musbros refuse they attack. Israel would be happy to give Palestine a state. They refuse and attack. What the fuck are you supposed to do when you're surrounded by berserker predators? The Islamic world has waged near non-stop genocide against the civilized world for the past thirteen centuries. The common element here is the musbros, not the jews hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147403) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:55 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond how can you just sit here and lie like this? this is like arguing with a flat earther. no, israel has not engaged in good faith two state solution talks. they continue to take land from palestinians. we've seen the conditions they've been forced to live in before 10/7. and we've seen how israel has retaliated since. instead of trying to defend it, you're just going to say "no, it isn't happening!"
also ljl at trying to use the history of muslims to demonize them today. jews have been excluded and expelled for thousands of years. do you really want to rely on how jews were perceived by our ancestors to judge jews today? |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:11 PM Author: Boyish resort "also ljl at trying to use the history of muslims to demonize them today. jews have been excluded and expelled for thousands of years. do you really want to rely on how jews were perceived by our ancestors to judge jews today? "
No, I want to rely on what muslims actually did. The twin pillars of the islamic faith are genocide and pedophilia. It's hardly shocking that they're continuing to engage in both to this very day. The islamic death cult divides the entire planet into two "houses": Area that has been conquered by islam, and area that will be conquered by islam. Israel just happens to be geographically convenient and hence is the target of nearly all the unprovoked islamic aggression.
"they continue to take land from palestinians. we've seen the conditions they've been forced to live in before 10/7. and we've seen how israel has retaliated since. instead of trying to defend it, you're just going to say "no, it isn't happening!""
This is all a lie. Israel voluntarily withdrew from Gaza, gave Palestinians control, and even donated food/water/electricity/fuel/medicine. This extreme charity was repaid with October 7. The islamic faith is completely structured around murder; it doesn't matter how "nice" you try to be. It's just impossible to make peace with a death cult. To the extent conditions are bad in musbro land, it's because islam is a miserable religion that makes everybody miserable, even its own adherents. The musbro world is welcome to renounce islam and join the civilized world at any time, they just refuse to do so.
By far the biggest challenge of the modern world is islam. You can have civilization or you can have islam, but you cannot have both. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:25 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond so your argument that you're not a genocidal lunatic is saying muslims must renounce islam or being destroyed in their homes?
you've done a great job proving my point itt. i don't want to genocide the middle east. i want muslims to live however they want. idc that they have different values than me so long as they stay in musbro land. to that end, if you want defend your little scrap of land in the desert go for it. im not siding with a bunch of bloodthirsty lunatics who keep telling me to my face that the only solution is genocide while also saying that ACKSHUALLY they're humanitarians that just want to live in peace. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:37 PM Author: Boyish resort "so your argument that you're not a genocidal lunatic is saying muslims must renounce islam or being destroyed in their homes?"
No-- my "argument" is the observation muslims engage in conquest and war as a matter of course. Which is natural; their religion commands them to conquer the entire world. Blaming jews for being the victim of muslim aggression is crazy. It's obviously the case that either islam will prevail over civilization or civilization will prevail over islam; islamic ideology does not allow them to stay in their own musbro land, they have to conquer. So saying " idc that they have different values than me so long as they stay in musbro land" is a contradiction in terms; if you are not a musbro, they are planning to kill you. Your advocacy on behalf of musbros will do you no good, they'll just behead you last. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:52 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond you sound just like the ukrainecucks telling me putin is heading to poland. this victim complex must be built into your dna. i've never seen the muslim world try to invade the west. when turkey starts amassing troops i'll reconsider my position.
the west bank and gaza is almost entirely muslim. i'm not buying the argument that israel settling these areas and keeping the muslims there under apartheid conditions is "defensive." it's clearly not.
israel has enjoyed nearly 100 years of endless support from the west. a nation that cannot protect itself has no right to exist. if you want to hold onto your patch of sand surrounded by musbros that's your choice. there is no reason for us to continue putting dollars and lives into the thresher. especially when you just lie about what you're doing. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 8:14 PM Author: adventurous property Let's do a test. We let Muslims conquer Israel and kill all its Jews. Then if they still want to expand their influence by war, I will say you are right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48151874) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:26 PM Author: peach excitant university if he had a moniker this pumo idiot would be seen as dumber than sealclubber and tdnw. holy shit, lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147556) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:33 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond nah, this is true kike sophistry, and tdnw and sealclubber don't even have the iq to engage in that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147572) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:34 PM Author: honey-headed submissive piazza electric furnace dumb kike who has fallen for kike hasbara 100% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147578) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:55 PM Author: Internet-worthy Market Fortuitous Meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147653) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:21 PM Author: Internet-worthy Market Fortuitous Meteor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147546) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:22 PM Author: dull senate background story this is reddit tier trash and none of this really matters. anyone with a >90iq and understanding of history and political discourse will recognize that this will just devolve back into pointing the finger for past afflictions - "jews did X to cause this" "but arabs did Y" going back a few thousand years. litigating the moral foundations of either side on xo is going to get just about as far as it gets anywhere else. and it's all a proxy war for the interest of higher powers anyways, the palestinians are being treated as cannon fodder and the moral debates are just a front for actual powerful people pursuing geopolitical objectives.
as far as the morals go, the entire premise of war is that neither side believes there is good faith on the other. saying that the solution is for one side to revert to some perceived "good faith" orientation is just to ignore the discourse. both sides have real grievances on their faces and do not want to lay down before the blood spilled by their kin. the moral differences are intractable and are not the point in any case, the moral arguments are merely a rhetorical tool, into which you've been pulled.
all that really matters is that arabs want a plot of land that another population resides in, that population does not want to give it up, and another power (iran) sees the former as a good proxy to start shit with to pursue its own objectives. saying that either side should acknowledge wrongdoing is suggesting that they should break the participatory moral theater, which they won't, they'll just keep pressuring each other until the calculated risks no longer make sense.
honestly the best thing for everyone in the short term would be for trump to win and tell everyone involved to cut this shit out or else. pussy ass biden / kamala don't have that power. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:13 PM Author: charismatic elastic band Most sane take, it's hilarious watching people trying to tease out the moral calculus on this as if there is objectively some sort of answer to this back and forth stone age shitshow, as if either of these ideologically buckwild retards are going to compromise on their dogmas or forgive the past and give up their persecution fixation. Who you back all depends on whose political team you're on and who you identify with for whatever deranged reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149670) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:34 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond this is nonsense. just because morality isn't quantifiable and is subject to debate doesn't mean the only course is to back your "team" no matter what they do.
the us has the power to dominate most of the world and steal their resources. i'm on team us and i would benefit from this. but i wouldn't support it. see? not that hard. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:53 PM Author: charismatic elastic band millions of americans who stand to benefit don't support it, not everyone is on team american imperialism. americans who don't support it have their team. your team might just that your family and friends are shitlibs or neocons. and i didn't say it was just about benefit, it's also who you identify with. you can peer into this through the prism of whatever your prior commitments are, find the selection of facts you want, give them whatever moral weight you want, and then ascribe agency and responsibility to whoever suits you. it's an endless slapfight of "we did this because of xyz, they need to stop first!" horseshit. that's not say you can't be against the october 7th slaughter or the bombing as isolated events, but as far as the entire moral picture goes, it's insoluble, no argumentation is going to suddenly discover and answer, and anyway none of the groups directly involved or their big brothers are genuinely interested in a resolution. discourse usually means nothing but it especially means nothing in this case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149884) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:58 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond this is distilled autism.
just because the question of moral superiority is nuanced and impossible to nail down objectively doesn't make the debate pointless. and it certainly doesn't mean that the only course of action is supporting whatever course the team you identify with goes. this type of hand-waving dismissiveness just serves to give powers carte blanche to do anything. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:03 PM Author: charismatic elastic band let me know when one side out-logics the other and the politicians listen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149939) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:06 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond vietnam. afghanistan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149955) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:13 PM Author: dull senate background story the point is descriptive, not proscriptive.
and it's not that the morality "isn't quantifiable."
the point is that saying that israel should act in "good faith" is just a nonsense statement that ignores the reality of the geopolitics on the ground, and of the nature of war itself.
short of literal "rape and pillage," questions of "good faith" go out the window in war. its perceived absence on both sides is why war starts. both sides have a moral claim that is incompatible with the other's getting up in arms about them is just spectator sport.
you seem to want to claim that israel's actions have been both immoral and tactically unwise from a PR standpoint. the former argument is not going to go anywhere. the latter argument can be made but that's a tactical question not worth getting emotional over, and frankly you wouldn't be my first choice for military tactician. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:13 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal orchid halford hospital For me it was dupa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147105) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:19 PM Author: vermilion menage kitty Agreed and same goes for the Ukraine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147336) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:22 PM Author: brass marketing idea filthpig lmao @ terrorist lovers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147349) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:28 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond "perhaps this glib dismissal of concerns over israel's brutality will convince people that i'm not glib and ghoulish." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147376) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:01 PM Author: brass marketing idea filthpig you psycho terrorist lovers can’t be convinced of anything other than durrrr Jews bad genocide durrrr
any normal man would realize that the Jews are playing nice with these monkeys |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:06 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond you're talking to the resident thoughtful moderate and even itt i'm making a distinction between zionists and all jews. i've got a bunch of jew friends that are pro-palestine.
but sure go ahead and double down on me criticizing you for being glib and bloodthirsty by rebutting "lol the jews are playing nice with these monkeys."
every interaction i have with people like you is like this. you just come right out to demonstrate what i'm saying. it really is almost like a psyop. maybe tbf is behind TDNW, sealclubber, etc. you're cartoonishly evil and stupid. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 3:37 PM Author: brass marketing idea filthpig you are so mad that Israel refuses to cuck to a bunch of 80 IQ inbred mongrels (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48150857) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 7:21 PM Author: Maize Tanning Salon i'm starting to wonder if xo jews are weird. i've never heard this sort of shit irl and i live in a disproportionately jewish realm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48147733) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 7:26 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond they went pretty mask off for a minute after 10/7. just look at how they reacted to university protests.
since then they've collected themselves. they are really good at appearing thoughtful and reasonable as they advocate for brutal suppression of things against their self-interest.
i'm glad the xo jews are here because it's a nice little window into what's really going on in their minds when they say "oh i see your point but you know israel is our only ally in the region, are beset upon all sides, and have a right to defend themselves!" irl. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:32 AM Author: ebony stirring gas station mediation You’ve left out some of their (pro-Israel Zionist types’) worst arguments. -“The Palestinians started it” as though history began on October 7, 2023 or September 25, 2000 or whatever the start point for whatever conflict your discussing is. It’s as if everything before then is completely negligible and their is no context other than “Palestinians are completely evil” or “the world hates Jews” -“Israel wants peace and would be happy to stay within its territory”, often stated completely earnestly and unironically, even as there was ongoing uprooting of Palestinians in the West Bank. Israel has been in a constant expansionary state since its founding -"you’re applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation," like bro we basically had to get shot at first in Afghanistan before we could shoot back, but Israel is dropping bombs in the middle of neighborhoods and killing children en masse. Israel has killed more kids in Gaza in the last year than the US killed in 20 years of occupying Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria combined. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:41 AM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&mc=76&forum_id=2#48147535
bro we weren't taking their land! in fact we were doing all sorts of aid and shit before these sand niggers attacked us completely unprovoked! |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:49 AM Author: peach excitant university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149579) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:38 AM Author: insecure antidepressant drug trump supporter this can be true and it can also be true that arab failed states have nothing to do with any actions by isreal. isreal is a tiny sliver of a country and does not control the inner workings of all the arab failed states. they are failed states because their iq and culture.
history did not begin on 10/7, but i also don't know what isreal is supposed to do after that, or what you think isreal is supposed to do when Hezbollah fires thousands of rockets at it. if you are a country and you are invaded, you have to respond in kind or greater. if you are a country and have thousands of rockets fired at it, you respond. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:40 AM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond no one is blaming israel for the plight of other arab nations. we just ask that they stop murdering them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149551) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:43 AM Author: insecure antidepressant drug trump supporter everyone in the middle east does blame them for their existence. the palestinians have a fair point, but it is limited because when hamas won in 07 and isreal pulled out hamas did nothing to improve the lives of the people there.
paralegal muhammad would agree that all of the shitty arab failed states are the result of isreal.
they have been under attack since they started their country. all of their territorial expansions occurred after they defeated invading countries.
it can be true that israelis believe they are superior to arabs (and everyone else) and also that israelis are responding to attacks as any other country would do. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:53 AM Author: cerebral embarrassed to the bone main people lodge it's easier to blame the jews than to blame your own low IQ and shitty medieval desert culture and pedo religion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149592) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 11:53 AM Author: insecure antidepressant drug trump supporter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149595) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:02 PM Author: peach excitant university keep telling yourself that kike. why do you need to claim to be argentinian to get into college if you're so smart? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149618) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:06 PM Author: cerebral embarrassed to the bone main people lodge oh I'm not a kike but you are an admitted low IQ muslim desert monkey (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149631) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:08 PM Author: peach excitant university that's even worse, get back to work bobby birdshit. the people who run your country need you to add shareholder value (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149637) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:01 PM Author: peach excitant university hamas did nothing to improve the lives of the people there? so the buildings that are rubble today were rubble since 2006? or did hamas and the palestinian people build them back up after israel bombed the place the last time? if you bomb a place twice in less than 20 years why do you expect the people to achieve great things? is that realistic or just more jewish circular logic?
regarding the failed arab states, find me one besides turkey that allows its people to govern the place? most are dictatorships who have been propped up at different times by the CIA in order to... oh that's right, prevent the people in those countries from running them and threatening israel's existence in the process. no shortage of once great middle eastern cities that lie in rubble today, why do you think that happened to coincide with the creation of israel in 1948?
they hate iran because they can't control it. cia backed the shah and khomeini took over.
they hate turkey because it's a democracy and the elected leadership hates israel.
they killed saddam even though he had nothing to do with 9/11 because he outspokenly hated israel.
"all of their territorial expansions occurred after they defeated invading countries"
explain the settlements then kike? |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:20 PM Author: insecure antidepressant drug trump supporter see? this post is a perfect example of the arab mindset. constantly blaming isreal and the west for their shitty backwards countries.
arab countries' natural states are to revert to islamic dictators and backwards cultural practices. its true everywhere there are arabs, including in parts of the west where arabs have immigrated to.
what happens when pakistanis move in throngs to england? you get pakistani rape gangs, an explosion of birth deformities because they marry their first cousins, and enormous amounts of arabs on welfare that was meant for westerners. why? because its there for the taking.
it stems from the same deep seeded resentment at the superiority of the west as the rest of the third world. third worlders cannot accept that they bear responsibility for their own lives and countries. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:22 PM Author: peach excitant university totally non-responsive as expected. just more hasbara, you're a sad man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149715) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:26 PM Author: insecure antidepressant drug trump supporter you haven't made any points. just arab anger and whining.
I dont know what "hasbara" means because I am a westerner who was born in the west. My ancestors were also born in the west.
what shitty country did your ancestors come from?
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:31 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond this "west did nothing wrong!" is the same shit as "israel did nothing wrong!" or "middle east did nothing wrong!"
how can you not at least admit that our operations in the middle east has had *SOME* impact? if it didn't, what would have been the point? it's impossible to know how much of their circumstances are a result of western interference. but it's certain our bullshit there has had *SOME* impact.
how about we just, you know, leave? you complain about muslims moving to the west and shit and then want to continue to meddle in their bullshit. if they are as backwards and retarded as you claim, they why are you so invested in being all up in their shit?
paralegal mo isn't asking for reparations or anything. he's just asking us to gtfo. if you have such a low opinion of muzzies, why are you so against this? |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:36 PM Author: peach excitant university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149771) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:47 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond the west apologism on places like xoxo spouted by "based trumpmos" is sad and shows just how deeply entrenched gc is.
these morons really believe our presence in the middle east is anything but economic imperialism. they think it's about culture? western supremacy? lmao it's about exerting our influence onto other people to capture their resources. that's why we don't give a shit about africa even though they are even more "backwards failed states" than the middle east.
i can't believe how many people are deepthroating gc because they think this about sticking it to muzbros. we have been propping up every muzbro that will ally with us for decades. neocon gc ghouls will swear fealty to the koran of they get a good deal on oil. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:51 PM Author: peach excitant university the idiot below thinks we are the ones getting a free ride, it's hilarious. has to be jewish. this country has robbed the middle east blind while funneling cash to israel and this moron is wasting his day spouting gc nonsense about reparations and food stamps even though most arabs in this country, at least the ones not fleeing from the shitholes that we have no doubt helped create, more than pay their fair share and are successful business owners and professionals. it's laughable, the brainwashing runs pretty deep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149868) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:55 PM Author: insecure antidepressant drug trump supporter Lol. You shameless arabs. No, you definitely don't help the west in any way. You are leeches with backwards cultures that you bring here as you destroy western society. Everywhere you come. Whether its cousing fucking or welfare leeching, your 90 IQs can't help it.
Also here you go. See any jewish blood? https://ibb.co/jvd1TnS
I know, shocking to learn that non-jews don't like you arabs either.
Now let's see yours, Muhammad. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:02 PM Author: peach excitant university Good goyim. You're too dumb to engage any further than this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149936) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:05 PM Author: insecure antidepressant drug trump supporter If only I had the 80-85 IQ of an arab!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/World-iq-map-lynn-2002.svg |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:05 PM Author: insecure antidepressant drug trump supporter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149951) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:05 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond let's say he's right about all the muzbros immigrating to the west are welfare queens and retarded mudpeople who would be retarded and poor regardless of western influence.
who does he think is responsible for these immigration policies? it's the same fucking gc ghouls adventuring in the east. this is just the next stage of gc exploitation. first they exploit these nations abroad and now they're opening up the floodgates to domesticate the gc economic slave caste at home.
somehow people get tricked into blaming the people rationally immigrating to a place that has more opportunity than the hook nosed third base coaches waving them in. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:05 PM Author: peach excitant university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149953) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:07 PM Author: insecure antidepressant drug trump supporter Yes but the jewish control in America is a separate issue from whether arabs are good additions or poor substractions from the West. Jewish control is bad, and Arab immigration is bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149966) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:15 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond they're not separate. that's why i point out that the same people for forever war in the east are the same people for open borders at home. and it's for the exact same reason: MORE SCHEKELS!
whether intentional or not your support of israel is also support of open borders and shit. why are you so tethered to the idea that israel/west is not responsible in any way for the state of the middle east? this type of apologism serves the interests of the people you profess to be against. and i don't understand how someone could even think that. our decades of intervention into the region has to have had *some* impact. admitting that isn't the same as saying the middle east would be a bustling utopia otherwise and blaming the west for everything wrong in the world. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:44 PM Author: insecure antidepressant drug trump supporter the west should leave the middle east entirely, of course. neither the west, nor any country, can turn these ugly shitholes around. that lesson should have been learned when the mujahadeed took over a functional state and destroyed it so that they could base it garbage islamic principles. the soviets wildly improved life for afghanis, but thats not what they wanted. they want backwards everything, and thats what they got, and thats what they continue to get to this day.
lol at paralegal muhammad not asking for reparations. throngs of arabs have sucked up western welfare and received tremendous amounts of reparations. of course he believes that the middle east is entitled to tons more western reparations. |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:45 PM Author: peach excitant university I don't. Faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149821) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:46 PM Author: insecure antidepressant drug trump supporter Yes you do. You arabs are on every welfare program known to man as you flee from shithole countries and come to much, much better ones, and then nonstop whine and complain bc das raciss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149828) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:48 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond the people importing poor muzbros and every other immigrant are the same people who want endless war in the middle east (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48149852) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 1:11 PM Author: insecure antidepressant drug trump supporter I am well aware. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603860&forum_id=2#48150014) |
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Date: October 1st, 2024 12:02 PM Author: Heady theatre generalized bond these things are all inexorably intertwined. of course everything single conflict involving the west and the middle east has had ties to israel. and of course that has impacted all the arab nations.
would the middle east be a bustling utopia but for israel and the west? of course not. but you also can't pretend that our influence there has had no impact on the middle east.
also, note that i'm saying the west not not just laying it all on israel. the west created israel and supported israel. but just because we have the original sin doesn't mean we are duty bound to support and pay for every israeli atrocity forever. |