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Review of IBM's new open weight model by a bigtech bro
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Date: April 30th, 2026 10:54 PM Author: obsidian center dragon I had a shortish exploratory chat with Granite4.1:8b tonight.
It is a good model. The outputs feel something akin to deterministic which reflects the enterprise deployment IBM is shooting for. Input -> Output. The voice is pleasant and not overly beepboop robot. It hyperfixates on patterns (one message with a list kicks off 5 more) but it responses really well to faux system messages correcting it. The world knowledge is good and nuanced for an 8b model.
If I had a no-human-in-the-loop pipeline for evaluations or content parsing or something I’d 100% reach for Granite 4.1 first. It’s like,,, instruct tuned but only enough to accomplish its intended goal.
—— Oh! And! No reasoning! As an engineered design constraint. Neat! |
Date: April 30th, 2026 10:56 PM Author: aqua kitty gay wizard who cares (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2.#49856010) |
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Date: April 30th, 2026 10:56 PM Author: offensive 180 corn cake garrison I understood like half of that. Explain it like I don't read hackernews (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2.#49856011) |
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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:00 PM Author: obsidian center dragon It's designed to be fast and it was trained on high quality data. IBM really went their own direction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2.#49856026) |
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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:02 PM Author: offensive 180 corn cake garrison What does "no reasoning" mean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2.#49856029) |
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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:09 PM Author: obsidian center dragon Everyone thought they needed reasoning models to get the best chat experience, but now with agentic harnesses the reasoning becomes a waste of tokens. I have it disabled in my Hermes Agent because it's too fuckin slow. IBM basically just saved us all from having to manually disable it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2.#49856064) |
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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:10 PM Author: offensive 180 corn cake garrison What does that mean? Doesn't it need to do reasoning to follow instructions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2.#49856068) |
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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:28 PM Author: obsidian center dragon The model still has to follow intermediate steps during prompt processing, people are just finding more efficient ways to do it. One model (I forget which one) keeps the entire prompt intact at each layer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2.#49856095) |
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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:54 PM Author: offensive 180 corn cake garrison Yeah ofc, I just didn't know what "reasoning" meant and was too lazy to search (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2.#49856136) |
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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:33 PM Author: milky wonderful ratface Like how chat gpt and claude for "hard problems" will go into a "chain of thought" where it "reasons". I turn it off for basic chats and only use it when I'm having it solve something difficult. Also sometimes it makes it stupider believe it or not. Also way faster without it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2.#49856103) |
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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:53 PM Author: offensive 180 corn cake garrison Got it, I thought it might mean that. I totally believe it could make it stupider in some cases. I'll turn that off on the ones I use and see if the results are better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2.#49856134) |
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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:31 PM Author: milky wonderful ratface Would never use something that has "deterministic outputs" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2.#49856098) |
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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:36 PM Author: lime office half-breed I have news for you about women (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2.#49856105) |
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Date: April 30th, 2026 11:55 PM Author: vengeful mustard hell hairy legs what tokens/sec are you getting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5862289&forum_id=2.#49856142) |