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Book rec for boys ?

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
talented khaki kitty cat
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Wonderful potus french chef
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
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  12/18/25
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Blue Cuckold
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Laughsome crimson church filthpig
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Laughsome crimson church filthpig
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
Overrated property really tough guy
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Opaque mind-boggling business firm
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Laughsome crimson church filthpig
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
heady maniacal water buffalo degenerate
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Demanding flatulent native
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Beady-eyed orange boiling water immigrant
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
talented khaki kitty cat
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Beady-eyed orange boiling water immigrant
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
talented khaki kitty cat
  12/18/25
180
Beady-eyed orange boiling water immigrant
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
seedy indirect expression boltzmann
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
cracking disgusting church building
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
seedy indirect expression boltzmann
  12/18/25
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cracking disgusting church building
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
heady maniacal water buffalo degenerate
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
apoplectic big-titted travel guidebook
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
talented khaki kitty cat
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
chrome tattoo
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
talented khaki kitty cat
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Domesticated lemon parlor
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
supple glassy box office
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
exciting avocado coldplay fan windowlicker
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
seedy indirect expression boltzmann
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
slate hell dragon
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
cream excitant lodge
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
Green regret associate
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
cream excitant lodge
  12/18/25
lol
Green regret associate
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
sapphire den
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
cracking disgusting church building
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
cream excitant lodge
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
navy casino
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Opaque mind-boggling business firm
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
navy casino
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Opaque mind-boggling business firm
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
navy casino
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Opaque mind-boggling business firm
  12/21/25
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cracking disgusting church building
  12/18/25
Anabasis
Arousing ruby friendly grandma hall
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Green regret associate
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
Hairraiser Cowardly Mexican
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
Green regret associate
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
bateful shrine electric furnace
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
irate library legal warrant
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
cyan glittery weed whacker
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
Green regret associate
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
talented khaki kitty cat
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
cracking disgusting church building
  12/18/25
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cream excitant lodge
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
apoplectic big-titted travel guidebook
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
cream excitant lodge
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
Mentally impaired rough-skinned giraffe
  12/18/25
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apoplectic big-titted travel guidebook
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
sapphire den
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
geriatric insanely creepy background story
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aromatic affirmative action
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
Thriller Step-uncle's House Mental Disorder
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Laughsome crimson church filthpig
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
Arousing ruby friendly grandma hall
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
Charismatic Mood
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: talented khaki kitty cat

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Wonderful potus french chef

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: carmine exhilarant masturbator sandwich

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Blue Cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Laughsome crimson church filthpig

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Laughsome crimson church filthpig

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Overrated property really tough guy

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Opaque mind-boggling business firm

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Laughsome crimson church filthpig

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: heady maniacal water buffalo degenerate

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Demanding flatulent native

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Beady-eyed orange boiling water immigrant

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: talented khaki kitty cat

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Beady-eyed orange boiling water immigrant

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: talented khaki kitty cat

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Beady-eyed orange boiling water immigrant

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: seedy indirect expression boltzmann

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: cracking disgusting church building

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: seedy indirect expression boltzmann

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: cracking disgusting church building



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: heady maniacal water buffalo degenerate

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: apoplectic big-titted travel guidebook

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: talented khaki kitty cat

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: chrome tattoo

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: talented khaki kitty cat

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Domesticated lemon parlor

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: supple glassy box office

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: exciting avocado coldplay fan windowlicker

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: seedy indirect expression boltzmann

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: slate hell dragon

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: cream excitant lodge

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Green regret associate

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: cream excitant lodge

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Green regret associate

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: sapphire den

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: cracking disgusting church building

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: cream excitant lodge

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: navy casino

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Opaque mind-boggling business firm

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: navy casino

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Opaque mind-boggling business firm

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: navy casino

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Opaque mind-boggling business firm

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: cracking disgusting church building

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: Arousing ruby friendly grandma hall

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Green regret associate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: Hairraiser Cowardly Mexican

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Green regret associate

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: bateful shrine electric furnace

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: irate library legal warrant

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: cyan glittery weed whacker

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Green regret associate

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: talented khaki kitty cat

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: cracking disgusting church building

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: cream excitant lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: apoplectic big-titted travel guidebook

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: cream excitant lodge

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Mentally impaired rough-skinned giraffe

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: apoplectic big-titted travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: sapphire den

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: geriatric insanely creepy background story

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: aromatic affirmative action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Thriller Step-uncle's House Mental Disorder

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Laughsome crimson church filthpig

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: Arousing ruby friendly grandma hall

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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:23 AM
Author: Charismatic Mood

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Date: December 26th, 2025 12:37 AM
Author: Pale trip market

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