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Book rec for boys ?

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
insane mother
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
canary vengeful weed whacker
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
concupiscible jet crackhouse codepig
  12/18/25
...
Motley jewess
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
curious alcoholic lodge hominid
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
curious alcoholic lodge hominid
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
olive mood hall
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
garnet cuckoldry
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
curious alcoholic lodge hominid
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
beady-eyed old irish cottage school cafeteria
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Adulterous Appetizing Locale Nibblets
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Deranged range
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
insane mother
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Deranged range
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
insane mother
  12/18/25
180
Deranged range
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
Charismatic Slimy Center
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
odious umber windowlicker
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
Charismatic Slimy Center
  12/18/25
...
odious umber windowlicker
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
beady-eyed old irish cottage school cafeteria
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
shimmering exciting indian lodge boltzmann
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
insane mother
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
Blue costumed stead round eye
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
insane mother
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
Fuchsia Hideous Coldplay Fan Lay
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
Clear Impertinent Sound Barrier Pozpig
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
mind-boggling market hissy fit
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
Charismatic Slimy Center
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
Maize Potus
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
dull set
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
Turquoise Stage Wagecucks
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
dull set
  12/18/25
lol
Turquoise Stage Wagecucks
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
Ruddy Out-of-control Roast Beef
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
odious umber windowlicker
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
dull set
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
brass clown rehab
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
garnet cuckoldry
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
brass clown rehab
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
garnet cuckoldry
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
brass clown rehab
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
garnet cuckoldry
  12/21/25
cr
odious umber windowlicker
  12/18/25
Anabasis
Irate parlour immigrant
  12/18/25
...
Turquoise Stage Wagecucks
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
Irradiated Rebellious Space
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
Turquoise Stage Wagecucks
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
Bright Disgusting Reading Party Mad-dog Skullcap
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
Floppy Corner Pisswyrm
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
Passionate purple love of her life
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
Turquoise Stage Wagecucks
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
insane mother
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
odious umber windowlicker
  12/18/25
...
dull set
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
shimmering exciting indian lodge boltzmann
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
dull set
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
Harsh Supple Associate
  12/18/25
...
shimmering exciting indian lodge boltzmann
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
Ruddy Out-of-control Roast Beef
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
Soul-stirring Unhinged Sex Offender Bawdyhouse
  12/18/25
...
slap-happy flirting police squad yarmulke
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
talented stain
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
curious alcoholic lodge hominid
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
Irate parlour immigrant
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
dead stock car cuckold
  12/19/25
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lemon overrated lettuce
  12/26/25


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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: insane mother

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: canary vengeful weed whacker

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: concupiscible jet crackhouse codepig

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: Motley jewess



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: curious alcoholic lodge hominid

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: curious alcoholic lodge hominid

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: olive mood hall

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: garnet cuckoldry

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: curious alcoholic lodge hominid

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: beady-eyed old irish cottage school cafeteria

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Adulterous Appetizing Locale Nibblets

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Deranged range

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: insane mother

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Deranged range

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: insane mother

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Deranged range

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: Charismatic Slimy Center

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: odious umber windowlicker

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: Charismatic Slimy Center

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: odious umber windowlicker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: beady-eyed old irish cottage school cafeteria

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: shimmering exciting indian lodge boltzmann

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: insane mother

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Blue costumed stead round eye

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: insane mother

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Fuchsia Hideous Coldplay Fan Lay

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: Clear Impertinent Sound Barrier Pozpig

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: mind-boggling market hissy fit

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: Charismatic Slimy Center

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: Maize Potus

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: dull set

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Turquoise Stage Wagecucks

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: dull set

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Turquoise Stage Wagecucks

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: Ruddy Out-of-control Roast Beef

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: odious umber windowlicker

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: dull set

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: brass clown rehab

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: garnet cuckoldry

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: brass clown rehab

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: garnet cuckoldry

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: brass clown rehab

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: garnet cuckoldry

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: odious umber windowlicker

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: Irate parlour immigrant

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Turquoise Stage Wagecucks



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: Irradiated Rebellious Space

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Turquoise Stage Wagecucks

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: Bright Disgusting Reading Party Mad-dog Skullcap

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: Floppy Corner Pisswyrm

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: Passionate purple love of her life

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Turquoise Stage Wagecucks

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: insane mother

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: odious umber windowlicker

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: dull set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: shimmering exciting indian lodge boltzmann

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: dull set

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Harsh Supple Associate

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: shimmering exciting indian lodge boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: Ruddy Out-of-control Roast Beef

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Unhinged Sex Offender Bawdyhouse

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: slap-happy flirting police squad yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: talented stain

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2.#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: curious alcoholic lodge hominid

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

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