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Consuela do you fr. believe in "Astrology"?
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Date: June 29th, 2026 3:00 PM Author: The Penis Explain yourself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969283) |
Date: June 29th, 2026 3:03 PM Author: Consuela yes, but not the tabloid version
i did a writeup about it awhile back:
https://neofeudalreview.substack.com/p/astrology-science-or-psuedoscience |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 4:14 PM Author: dark patterns I read most of this. Can you explain what fundamentally separates this from the "tabloid version" other than that it's more specific and intellectualized? Epistemically it seems like the same type of reasoning process the casual believers would invoke, even if not every witchy girl has read Eysenck or Gauquelin or Morth and Schlamminger or whatever.
I will say that this sentence is extremely credited: "Anyway, this is a roundabout way of saying Whig history is wrong, our ancestors were smarter than we acknowledge through our modern prism, and that part of the job of reorienting the public away from globohomo’s toxic vision of humanity, life, and history is to re-engage with a better respect for why people did things historically." |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 4:49 PM Author: Consuela The tabloid version looks only at sun signs and applies it to 1/12 of the population, which is so broad that it can't possibly be predictive (and no real astrologer approaches it in this manner). One can reach oneself into almost any of the interpretations.
What convinced me over time, although I am by no means an expert or even intermediate-level astrologer, was I spent a stupid amount of time looking at natal charts of specific individuals, both historical and personal, using the full chart on Astrotheme (https://www.astrotheme.com/birth-chart-sign-ascendant.php ): planets, houses, aspects, and degrees (especially degrees). I found that the descriptions lined up much better than chance. I also found an astrologer I like who does natal and progressed readings (Indian, woman, she does it as a hobby, not a career); without knowing me, and with only my birth data, her readings were surprisingly accurate.
Epistemically, what separates it is specificity and falsifiability. A tabloid horoscope says "you will have a challenging week" which is vague and un-falsifiable. A detailed reading says something like "you have a Saturn-Pluto square in the 7th house, which suggests a particular kind of relational tension that will manifest in a specific way." Again, this isn't proof, but it is evidence of a sort, and I would also point you to this:
"“In 1951 Jung’s synchronistic theory of astrology began to waver. That year Max Knoll (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Knoll) delivered a lecture at the Eranos meeting in Ascona, Switzerland, on “the Transformations of Science in Our Age.” He pointed out that the proton radiation from the sun is influenced to such a degree by the conjunctions, oppositions, and quartile aspects of the planets that the occurrence of electromagnetic storms (sunspot periods) can be predicted with a fair amount of probability. And since correspondences have been established between sunspot periods and the mortality rate, as well as disturbances of “radio weather” during those periods, there is a real possibility of causal connections and direct influences. These astronomical observations have confirmed the unfavorable influence of planetary conjunctions, oppositions, and quartile aspects, as always assumed by astrology, and the positive influence of the astrologically favorable trine and sextile aspects. The scientific discovery of these causal relationships gave Jung an unexpected glimpse into the theoretical foundations of astrology. At first he was inclined to repudiate its inclusion among the mantic methods based on synchronicity, for, according to the new findings, the possibility of a causal connection between the planetary aspects and man’s psychophysiological disposition would have to be taken seriously into account. “Astrology,” he said, “is in the process of becoming a science.”
Later Jung revised this somewhat too drastic or one-sided statement and opined that synchronistic as well as causal connections would have to be adduced in explaining astrology. In April 1958 he wrote in a letter: “Astrology seems to require differing hypotheses, and I am unable to opt for an either-or. We shall probably have to resort to a mixed explanation, for nature does not give a fig for the sanitary neatness of our intellectual categories of thought.”…After the death of Jung, science made no further endeavors to solve the problem.”
- “From the Life and Work of C.G. Jung” by Aniela Jaffe, p. 32-33.
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5876411&mc=6&forum_id=2 |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 5:12 PM Author: Bow tie niggas always have very strong opinions "I spent a stupid amount of time looking at natal charts of specific individuals, both historical and personal, using the full chart on Astrotheme [...] planets, houses, aspects, and degrees (especially degrees)."
https://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5724788&mc=22&forum_id=2 |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 5:33 PM Author: Consuela keep getting your COVID boosters, obeezy, Trust the Science (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969585) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:10 PM Author: suicide hotline bling (hatp) You are probably the smartest stupid person in the world. If you were around in medieval times you would be one of those people who focused on inscrutable codicies written in indecipherable code about weird pagan rites and you would bask in the glory of having received secret knowledge and passed it along to the three other people who agreed with you. Truly an esotericist to the hilt. Gleaning everything, producing nothing of value to anyone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969627) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:13 PM Author: Consuela you could just say you don't like astrology, brother
what "value" have *you* produced to anyone, other than being a laughingstock over your gross and desperate box obsession? |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:26 PM Author: suicide hotline bling (hatp) Many people are asking this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969652) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:34 PM Author: Consuela need the ! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969662) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:17 PM Author: Bow tie niggas always have very strong opinions Consuela's ancient ancestors blackpilled Jews that Jesus's miracles were an elaborate conspiracy and demanded his crucifixion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969640) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:25 PM Author: suicide hotline bling (hatp) Better than anything he's ever done (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969650) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:26 PM Author: Ricky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969796) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:25 PM Author: Ricky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969794) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:49 PM Author: dark patterns Oh, by "tabloid" you literally just meant the 12 star signs thing that nobody under 80 even bothers to look at, let alone take seriously. I don't think TPTP was asking if you believe in "Pisces will have a new career opportunity this month!" type shit lol.
I assumed you meant to differentiate your view from the modern astrology that half of the women and gay guys I meet believe in. They all know their whole charts with the houses and degrees and all that. And they all believe, with different levels of depth to their theories of the exact mechanisms, that the cosmic conditions at the moment of your birth determine who you become and the movement of the planets affects how your life unfolds in a predictable way.
If you had just replied "yes I believe in the same thing all the witchy girls believe, here's an article about it" then I wouldn't have asked for clarification. |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:55 PM Author: suicide hotline bling (hatp) I know a guy who inherited millions of dollars from his dad and became a massive true believer in astrology. Think of him like boomer RSF. He won't interact with anybody until he's read their star chart. Friend of my dad's. I never liked him even as a kid always thought he was totally psycho. People who inherit life changing generational wealth they never earned always turn out weird af. I hated astrology ever since. Apropos of nothing boomer RSF was a total asshole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969701) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:01 PM Author: dark patterns don't even know how many times I've installed one of those star chart apps on a phone so I can just hand it over anytime someone asks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969719) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:03 PM Author: suicide hotline bling (hatp) I can picture you with a look of disgust handing up your chart to some asshole like here you go fag...
When I was in LA I met a dude from San Francisco and he always used to say that the biggest difference between LA and SF was how often people talk about astrology (way more in Lalaland). He was like I came down here and people are so dumb I want to move back lol. |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:07 PM Author: dark patterns one time a (gay man) Uber driver insisted on putting my info into a star chart site on his phone while he was driving, I was worried we were gonna crash. fortunately we survived, thanks to The Cosmos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969742) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:37 PM Author: suicide hotline bling (hatp) Fortuitous celestial alignment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969860) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:07 PM Author: The Penis I have one of those apps, I think it's called co-star. Actually extremely fun to play with. That being said, I think it's all bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969743) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:09 PM Author: dark patterns yeah Co-Star is the goat afaict (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969746) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:25 PM Author: The Penis Going to check my chart on there right now actually, see if it fits me at all. I actually have a 180 sign imo, and from what I remember it fits me really well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969789) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:38 PM Author: suicide hotline bling (hatp) (true believer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969862) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 4:25 PM Author: Richard Ames Unironically understanding that Astrology is real is one of the Final Redpills. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969500) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 4:50 PM Author: Consuela what was your process for treating it seriously? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969518) |
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Date: June 30th, 2026 12:11 AM Author: Richard Ames In part the work of John Michael Greer. In part the realization that all of the stars were mapped at a certain point in time such that the stars in the sky corresponded with events on Earth and events in civilization tend to be cyclical and that the civilizational cycles likely tie to the cycles of the stars in the sky.
There was also a dude, I forget his name and can't pull up the video now, but this older French-Australian astrologer who in fall 2019 basically did an astrological reading that more or less predicted Covid and mass social upheaval. And it was all tied to a number of intense planetary alignments involving Mars.
Part of me thinks "well The Powers That Be seem to either believe this stuff or use this stuff to coordinate their efforts..." but even if that is the case, it seems to be having an influence. |
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Date: June 30th, 2026 2:27 PM Author: Consuela (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49971454) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:24 PM Author: Ricky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969788) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 5:14 PM Author: The Penis The empirical argument doesn't hold and the weakest point is the use of Kuhn. Kuhn's point is not that "science has been wrong before, so rejected ideas deserve more credence". It's that normal science operates within paradigms, anomalies accumulate, and occasionally a viable rival framework with its own predictive traction precipitates a crisis and shift. The inference "some rejected ideas were later accepted, therefore this rejected idea may be right" has the same structure as "some lottery tickets win, therefore this one probably wins."
There are other issues too, for instance with the Gauquelin section, which is worse than just "validity remains up for debate," and the degree astrology section, which is basically just post-hoc Forer/Barnum-style symbolic overfitting (the celebrity examples are just retrospective pattern matching), but I don't feel like turning this into a redditor-style debunking poast and noone is going to read all that anyway.
The part I agree with is that ancient people were not idiots, cultural practices can preserve useful knowledge, and modernity can be arrogant toward premodern systems. Astrology has historical and symbolic richness. But that doesn't mean astrology has predictive validity. I think the stronger version of the argument wouldn't need Gauquelin at all, you should just make the case that symbolic frameworks and causal explanation address different orders of reality. |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 5:23 PM Author: buddy of mine Fuckin lol at "critiquing" his AI slop with your own AI slop
Absolutely based I guess |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 5:24 PM Author: Consuela the post is from January 2024, champ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969560) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:50 PM Author: dark patterns ? you weren't using chatbots in 2022? in tech we all started around late 2022-early 2023. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969689) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:04 PM Author: Consuela No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969737) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:08 PM Author: dark patterns still weird that you were unaware they were a thing in January 2024 lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969745) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:10 PM Author: Consuela The chat programs were shitty for a long time & I’m loser clique, not nerd clique (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969751) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:11 PM Author: The Penis I think he started use gpt with 4o. Remember him talking about how much he liked it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969752) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:15 PM Author: buddy of mine He's just lying like always don't overthink it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969759) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:23 PM Author: dark patterns anyways I don't think Consuela's article reads like AI, either. the cadence and rhythm are nothing like what it would come up with by default; he'd have to have given specific instructions about writing dense, overly-long sentences with a lot of commas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969782) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:52 PM Author: The Penis Doesn't sound like AI to me honestly but GPT 4 and 4 turbo were out then and 4o came out a few months later. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969695) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:24 PM Author: The Penis lol GPT would write something much more devastating than this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969649) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:54 PM Author: dark patterns the first para is GPT-coded so I'm guessing you stopped reading there because the rest is obviously written by a person. sometimes clarity and conciseness can read like AI, especially if it's evocative of the "it's not X, it's Y" structure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969698) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:56 PM Author: buddy of mine The Penis tp uses AI for most of his posts it's his shtick
Yeah he edits them too and adds some of his own thoughts but you kinda have to or else the shtick is lame |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:58 PM Author: Bow tie niggas always have very strong opinions You're just retarded and because of that can't distinguish between AI and a smart, thoughtful person. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969707) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 6:59 PM Author: dark patterns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969714) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:02 PM Author: buddy of mine I've poasted with him on this website for years I know how he normally talks when he's not in character (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969727) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:07 PM Author: Bow tie niggas always have very strong opinions "redditor-style debunking poast"
You'll just chalk stuff like this up to "well of course *SOME* of it was edited personally" so you can handwave away any pushback, but this phrase, which occurred in the middle of his poast, could not have been generated by AI unless he's been training some chatbot specifically for xo, and even then it would have capitalized Redditor. |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:10 PM Author: dark patterns cr and same with minor grammar and spelling mistakes like "noone" but again this guy can just say "oh yeah well he wrote THAT part" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969747) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:11 PM Author: Bow tie niggas always have very strong opinions No you see he generated the poast with AI and then added in minor errors and niche things only xo would understand to make it believable to the 5 people who will read it, which would take significantly longer than if he just typed it up from scratch anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969753) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:12 PM Author: dark patterns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969755) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:14 PM Author: buddy of mine Idk why you're so uptight about this
It's just shtick like any other shtick. He's always been one of the smartest poasters here. You'd have to be very smart to do his shtick, because you have to be smart enough to understand every topic and actually understand the LLM output on every topic and edit it accordingly if necessary
Consuela is what it looks like when someone who isn't smart tries to do that shtick. Copy pasting of completely incoherent LLM babble or non responsive LLM output because he didn't understand the topic well enough to prompt it correctly |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:19 PM Author: Bow tie niggas always have very strong opinions "[Assertion]"
"I disagree."
"Trust me I know these things."
"[Evidence]"
"Why do you even care so much."
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I'd like to believe being a stubborn retard is your "shtick" but it's genuinely who you are. |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:21 PM Author: Consuela we don't agree on much but Goy Retardstar legitimately has about a 92 IQ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969779) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:23 PM Author: Bow tie niggas always have very strong opinions Goy Superstar is 10x smarter and more thoughtful than you but he does have a tendency to be a very stubborn extremely online type. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969781) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:27 PM Author: Consuela Goy Retardstar is legitimately retarded - just in this thread alone he's objectively wrong about multiple substantial things he expresses with great assertiveness - but I agree with your second part, obeezy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969801) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:40 PM Author: Bow tie niggas always have very strong opinions The persistent feud between you two is rooted in identifying , and hating, aspects of yourself you see in the other.
To wit: do you believe the second part that you agreed with describes you fairly as well? |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:44 PM Author: Consuela i agree that often feuds are triggered by mirror images of posters, like RSF and benzo
but there are other highly assertive posters who don't like me much that don't bother me and who i enjoy, such as TBF, who is highly amusing
so i don't think it's Retardstar's closed-mindedness + ultra assertiveness that triggers me, its that combination with his approach to the world, which places tremendous faith in "The Science" and "official expertise", which is the antithesis to my approach
i don't know what that means for your theory, but i generally appreciate it if he just stays far away from my posts |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:49 PM Author: Bow tie niggas always have very strong opinions "Do you believe that you have a [tendency to be a very stubborn extremely online type]?"
"[Four paragraphs of stubborn sophistry that has no relevance to the question]"
You'll never admit it, but you answered my question very honestly! Ty! |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:51 PM Author: Consuela it refused your premise - that Goy Retardstar and i have a feud because we are the same - by arguing that we are functioning from different hinge-sets
but this would be too deep for you, obeezy, and you were unable to process the nuance. not that i expect anything more from you - enjoy! |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:54 PM Author: Bow tie niggas always have very strong opinions My question didn't have anything to do with that premise. You said you agreed that Goy Superstar is a very stubborn extremely online type, and I asked if you thought that fairly described you too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969937) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:56 PM Author: Consuela Your specific argument is what I outlined, where you stated: "The persistent feud between you two is rooted in identifying , and hating, aspects of yourself you see in the other."
I disagree with that argument, and I specified exactly why. Now you're reverting to your well known wormy self. |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:02 PM Author: dark patterns well he uses AI for poasts where the whole joke is that it's written by AI. but when he's sharing thoughts I never get the impression that it's AI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969728) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:34 PM Author: buddy of mine I assume that some of his poasts are his own words pretending to be AI. There's no real way for me to tell. A smart enough person can make themselves sound indistinguishable from AI if they want to. It just requires substantial effort and I don't think he's doing it most of the time
He's having fun with it like anyone else doing shtick. I enjoy the shtick, I'm not badmouthing it in any way. Although sometimes I want his sincere opinion on something and it's a little annoying that I can never tell if it's him responding or not |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 5:25 PM Author: Bow tie niggas always have very strong opinions "Modernity can be arrogant toward premodern systems."
The older I get, the more certain I become that the issue is that society has a hard time with nuance. The shift from religion/spiritualism to rationalism was very turbulent, and because rationality won people quickly became dismissive of everything else.
Now, with rationality* shown to often be flawed, we're seeing people reject it completely, and now there's people that believe every malady can be cured with fasting and a paleo diet, and all modern medicine is a lie.
*Not the system of rationality itself, but how things promulgated as indisputable "trust the experts" have been shielded from any criticism or nuance with "it's science!" |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 5:32 PM Author: getulio Stop talking you fucking crook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969582) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 5:33 PM Author: buddy of mine Reason and empirical science are tools that are useful for certain tasks like any other tool is
They're not always the best tool for the job |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:27 PM Author: I'm a Phenomenologist I just got home but this thread feels like an emergency how can i help (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969799) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:28 PM Author: Consuela check your body for truth resonance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969809) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:37 PM Author: I'm a Phenomenologist fuck is that before or after i sync my god image with the cloud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969855) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:29 PM Author: buddy of mine You're just in time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969816) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:35 PM Author: dark patterns is there a phenomenologist on this plane?! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969847) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:37 PM Author: buddy of mine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969859) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:40 PM Author: Ricky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5878327&forum_id=2.#49969870) |
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Date: June 29th, 2026 7:27 PM Author: Ricky what more do you need to know than Jews have been using it to control goyim for quite some time
Mazal tov literally means may you have good constellations (mazallot) |