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Question about European feudalism.

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Mentally Impaired Tanning Salon Circlehead
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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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  11/11/25
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Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a sett...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Mentally Impaired Tanning Salon Circlehead

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
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just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: aquamarine drunken pit factory reset button

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48985020)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48997575)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49064860)



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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49070377)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49077411)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49084518)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49098591)



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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49421817)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49421881)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49422254)



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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49424474)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49425035)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49548639)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 8:56 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49562700)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 7:39 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49567730)



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Date: January 12th, 2026 6:44 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49584404)



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Date: January 14th, 2026 6:47 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49589879)



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Date: January 20th, 2026 7:47 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49604959)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:08 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49838395)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:38 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49838453)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Effete Range Really Tough Guy

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Angry friendly grandma

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Effete Range Really Tough Guy

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Angry friendly grandma

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Effete Range Really Tough Guy

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Bistre abnormal legal warrant lodge

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: avocado property pocket flask

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: chrome splenetic whorehouse black woman

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: Supple office double fault

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Bistre abnormal legal warrant lodge

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49065206)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
Author: carnelian death wish feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49518664)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Ruby Stock Car

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Bull Headed Gaming Laptop

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: irradiated cowardly bbw

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: twisted parlour boistinker

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: slate national

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49458174)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: twisted parlour boistinker

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: irradiated cowardly bbw

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49518563)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: Nazca Redlines

13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails

you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids

https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49838409)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: Nazca Redlines

"Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49838410)