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Date: September 2nd, 2013 5:20 PM Author: Talented Rusted Nibblets
Why do shitlibs want to make people feel bad about their privilege rather than trying to uplift people so that everyone is privileged? Why not focus on the underprivileged people? The whole concept is all about making people feel guilty for something they weren't responsible for.
It used to be a good thing to have privileges--"Driving is a privilege, not a right." Now, instead of focusing on giving privileges to everyone, shitlibs want everyone to lose their privileges. The shitlib privilege discourse is explicitly about bringing people down rather than lifting people up. wtf
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 5:43 PM Author: swashbuckling queen of the night
it's another way of looking at the same thing, but it's easier for whites to get their heads around.
it's not realistic to raise everyone to the same level in terms of, e.g., sociohistorical advantages, so it's more important to be cognizant of inequalities that currently do exist and will exist for the foreseeable future.
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 6:23 PM Author: Talented Rusted Nibblets
"you have no basis to say that unequal outcomes are inevitably an issue in the absence of centuries of brutal oppression by one group over another. you have no basis at all to say that, it's just idle speculation by an intellectually dishonest, lazy white idiot."
I have to say, this is one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on xo. Congrats!
Regarding the second point, no, I'm telling you what would be more effective at actually helping people.
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 6:42 PM Author: mind-boggling lodge
"clearly"
LJL
OWAS!
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 6:52 PM Author: swashbuckling queen of the night
well when it's clear, what else are you supposed to say?
i didn't mean that in the absence of past abuses, there wouldn't be any racial inequality, just that it wouldn't be the major ISSUE that it is in our current world.
it's because blacks have been put in chains and held as second class citizens for centuries that the current racial inequalities matter so much and incite so much suspicion and outrage.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2352644&forum_id=2#23981841) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 7:12 PM Author: mind-boggling lodge
"no, if it requires evidence the statement is not clear"
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
What was it liked getting dinged from HYS, little breh?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2352644&forum_id=2#23981946) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 7:03 PM Author: swashbuckling queen of the night
*picks up a destitute child from the street*
*enslaves him, beats him, rapes him*
*kicks him back onto the street when you have no more use for him*
*doesn't feel an ounce of guilt because "he would have starved anyways"*
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 7:14 PM Author: swashbuckling queen of the night
oh geez thanks for letting us know that you didn't actually bring slaves over from africa. thanks for that.
i don't know why i need to repeat myself in this thread so many times but i'll do it once more for your sake.
to the extent that you benefited from this system, you should feel bad that you were born lucky and others weren't. to the extent that you refuse to lift a finger to help change the system, and in your attempts to obfuscate as well as in other actions, you are in fact supporting and perpetuating the system, then you should feel not only bad, but guilty of something. maybe not something huge like acting as a slave-trader, but something nonetheless. and that's the core point of privilege. thank you very much for your attention.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2352644&forum_id=2#23981958) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 7:31 PM Author: passionate house
"to the extent that you benefited from this system, you should feel bad that you were born lucky and others weren't."
Why should I feel bad that I was born lucky? I don't feel bad Bill Gates was born to the son of a rich motherfucking biglaw partner, and I don't feel bad that the middle class black kid who had every advantage I did didn't do as well in school because getting good grades is "acting white"
Yes, I feel bad for people born into shitty situations. But I don't feel bad that I was born into a marginally less shitty situation.
"to the extent that you refuse to lift a finger to help change the system . . . you are in fact supporting and perpetuating the system"
Why?
"then you should feel not only bad, but guilty of something. maybe not something huge like acting as a slave-trader, but something nonetheless"
Lol how am I supposed to feel bad about something when you, as the proponent, literally cannot identify it yourself?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2352644&forum_id=2#23982058) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 5:59 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Domesticated Skinny Woman Shrine
your arguments seems to lie on the assumption that we have no reason to consider race in our society
when a group is enslaved and marginalized strictly because of their race, it doesn't make sense to ignore race now -- especially when that group is still reeling from the effects of previous institutionalized racism
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2352644&forum_id=2#23981569)
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 6:06 PM Author: swashbuckling queen of the night
you're the race that is currently on top, so yeah you think we should stop thinking about race altogether because it's just making the oppressed races unhappy with their lot.
how convenient that you would say this.
we are all race blind now, so race doesn't matter anymore. post-racial america, amiright?
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 6:10 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Domesticated Skinny Woman Shrine
I look at race and AA this way:
All the races are running a 100m sprint. Whites have been running for a long time, they're 3/4 of the way finished. Blacks just started running. Sure, both groups are now running full speed, but one group clearly had a huge and insurmountable head start.
To point to the fact that both groups are running and say, "Look! everyone is participating, everything is fine!" is deeply flawed.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2352644&forum_id=2#23981634) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 6:59 PM Author: Grizzly toaster
Do you know who FIRST disenfranchised blacks? Polygynous hoe-farming societies in Sub-Saharan Africa where excess black males were sold off as slaves. Why not have the hypergamous women and their polygynous husbands who created and benefited from these societies reverse the effects of selling their unwanted men into slavery for thousands of years?
Western society also disenfranchised Ashkenazi Jews. Let's talk about how the Holocaust resulted in Jews being completely excluded from science and all high-paying professions.
Wait, that never happened. Disenfranchisement as an explanation for different levels of economic development is completely contradicted by actual history.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2352644&forum_id=2#23981863) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 6:07 PM Author: swashbuckling queen of the night
lol, what?
are you dumb or something?
we have a system in place whereby some people are lucky and don't suffer, and others are unlucky and do suffer. insomuch as you are a beneficiary of the system, you should feel bad. insomuch as you don't take steps to change the system, you should feel guilty.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2352644&forum_id=2#23981618) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 7:21 PM Author: Grizzly toaster
No, most whites in America aren't benefiting in any way from the oppression of blacks. If anything, most whites just try not to interact with blacks on a practical basis, living in mostly white neighborhoods, going to mostly white schools, aspiring to work in mostly-white professions, marrying other whites, raising other whites, and, when not legally forbidden, hiring other whites. The only time whites commonly interact with blacks is when trying to teach them or arresting them (and even anti-racist folks like Tim Wise admit that the % of blacks in prison closely reflects the % who actually commit crimes.)
White society was not built by oppressing minorities (whereby 'oppression' we mean 'ignoring') but by white people actually building a society. Asians and Jews do well in white society despite oppression because they, too, have worked hard to build a society.
I work in my multi-ethnic neighborhood to make a nice neighborhood with a high standard of living for everyone here. I am not responsible for other people in other neighborhoods who do not make their neighborhoods nice. I am not going to go to their neighborhood and water their trees and weed their yards and fix their broken shit.
Please do show me where I have personally benefited from the suffering of Ugandans--or the suffering of anyone.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2352644&forum_id=2#23981990) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 7:35 PM Author: swashbuckling queen of the night
did america benefit from the labor and resources of non-white people? do you benefit from being an american? i rest my case.
i'm not saying it makes you equivalent to being a slaveholder, but it should make you reflect.
and even if you benefited precisely zero from the subjugation of minorities (which is highly unlikely), to the extent that the system we have is currently unfair to them, then it is your implicit responsibility to try to do something to remedy that. sure you don't have to, but a decent person would try to see if it's true and if there's something they can do to help.
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 7:42 PM Author: swashbuckling queen of the night
the advancement of american interests was historically equivalent to the advancement of white american interests.
because whites were in power and received the benefits of its prosperity more than people of color.
not every single white person benefited materially from this, surely, but every white person did benefit in the sense that the subjugation of minorities within america increased his status in the narrow racial sense that as a white man he can do more things and be looked upon with more dignity than an equivalent man of color.
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 7:45 PM Author: citrine elastic band church
How, pray tell, does a white immigrant, or the child of white immigrants benefit from your "historical equivalency" any more than people of color?
Your use of past tense is obnoxious. Yes, white people in the past benefitted from American expansionism more than black people. If we had a time machine, this would make a difference for people living in the modern day. Unfortunately, time machines don't exist.
Today, America's dominant status in the world benefits American blacks at least as much as it benefits American whites.
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Date: September 3rd, 2013 2:44 AM Author: Grizzly toaster
1. We're talking about black folks, not 'non-whites'.
2. Did "America" benefit from the enslavement of black folks 150 years ago? Probably not. The vast, vast majority of people didn't own slaves, but the average person in slave-holding areas suffered from depressed wages due to slavery. Tellingly, the slave-holding regions of the country were economically less-advanced than the abolitionist states.
3. Did any of the wealth obtained by slaveholders in the 1800s accrue to modern day society? No; the Civil War destroyed the South, and it remains economically less developed than the North to this day.
4. Has "America" benefited from the labor of blacks since the Civil War? Unlikely. Most of the "oppression" of black folks these days consists of white folks simply trying to avoid them. I am not benefited by avoiding someone; at best it's neutral, at worst, I spend effort on avoiding them. Whites must nevertheless pay to educate blacks, give them welfare, and pay to imprison disproportionate #s of black criminals, while large swathes of urban infrastructure are rendered unusable by anyone who doesn't want to get mugged or assaulted. Sounds like a bad bargain to me.
5. Do I benefit from being an American? Probably not; I could have been born in just about any European country and a few Asian ones, none of which historically had Africans minorities to oppress, and enjoy the exact same standard of living as I enjoy here. European and Asian cultures did not get where they are by oppressing black people, but by working hard to make their societies nice places to live.
6. Do black folks benefit, today, from being Americans? IDK. On the one hand, I think people are happier and have more dignity in societies where they're part of the majority. On the other hand, mass famine, genocide, slaver, and cannibalism are still realities in Africa.
It makes me reflect that privilege-mongers are completely full of shit.
If my neighbor plants a beautiful garden, and I sit on my ass and grow weeds, when she has a pile of fresh veggies and I still have weeds, do I complain that she didn't hire me to work in her garden? No, I plant my own damn garden.
How is the current system unfair to black people in the US? Are they being imprisoned disproportionate to their crime rates? Are they required to have higher SAT scores than whites and Asians to get into college? Are they discriminated against in gov't hiring?
Did the Ashkenazim need AA to invent pretty much all of modern science just before the Germans tried to wipe them off the face of the planet? No. Did Germany benefit from the Holocaust? No. By your logic, Jews should be the poorest folks in the world.
I already believe in helping the less fortunate and treating people as individuals, not stereotypes. Not because of your arguments or some warped sense of historical guilt and self-loathing, but because that's how I think all humans should operate.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2352644&forum_id=2#23984821) |
Date: September 2nd, 2013 5:57 PM Author: Magenta Medicated Locale
privileged is something that is invented by people to rationalize their degenerate behaviors
of course inequality exists - but privilege can be applied to fucking anything - no one has to feel sorry for having some sort of advantages as long as they obey the golden rule and are tolerant.
Of course libs are some of the most intolerant, racist and bigoted people I've even encountered so its no surprise that they don't behave in a rational manner.
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 6:11 PM Author: Talented Rusted Nibblets
.......,,....,,...,.......,.,...,.,.,.,., must be WLMAS
Great example of a party line shitlib here.
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Date: September 2nd, 2013 7:57 PM Author: lavender mother
white
straight
middle class and above
male
Everything else is a sign of oppression
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