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Biden admin will attempt to ban University legacy admissions

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you're saying that whites would stand to benefit the most fr...
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I'm saying exactly what I said, which is that 99.9% of Ameri...
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yeah a lot of mouthbreathers think legacy is "my daddy ...
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ending legacy admits would boost normie middle class whites ...
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that sounds 180 but the legacy spots would be given to &q...
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Cr Harvard's class is like 12% non-legacy white. It's insane...
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Most of the research that has been done shows that Whites ar...
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It is a ridiculous comparison but banning legacy admits woul...
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It colleges were forced to do acceptance on merits alone tha...
lemon sticky indian lodge
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agreed, but we both know that's not where this is going
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Ask any waiter-- white men are the biggest tippers. My guess...
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MIT and Caltech don't seem to be having any problems finding...
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imagine being such a fucking bootlicker for the rich that yo...
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legacy admits the only reason elite universities are elite, ...
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MIT doesn't have legacy
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They're in a different game from say Harverd.
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its only relevant at like 5 colleges and for people whose pa...
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A lot more than five and a lot less than $200M net worth
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there should be bipartisan agreement that legacy/prof's kids...
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How can legacies be stopped at private schools? There is a c...
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Gov will just say in order to receive federal funding you mu...
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these schools are sitting on piles of endowment money and so...
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some mediocre tennis player from a shit Ivy is a PE billiona...
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The problem is that in the Ivies, you have this bizarre situ...
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The ivies are weird because the sports are literally probabl...
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Legacy admissions increase donations which allow more low in...
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Colleges don’t use endowments to fund tuition lol
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what a fucking stupid thing to expend political capital on
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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:27 PM
Author: mildly autistic dashing school cafeteria

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/12/bidens-education-secretary-looks-to-torch-legacy-admissions-00115102

The elite colleges that found an ally in Miguel Cardona while defending their admissions practices are now among the Education secretary’s biggest targets.

The Supreme Court’s decision to gut race-conscious college admissions policies ignited new urgency among civil rights groups concerned about Black and brown students being left out of higher education. But it also gave Cardona — and President Joe Biden — an opening to air long-held criticisms of how Harvard, Yale and other selective institutions favor applicants who come from wealthy alumni families through legacy admissions.

“They said we can’t look at race, but the person’s last name is fine or if somebody writes a check,” Cardona said of the Supreme Court in an interview. “We shouldn’t be highlighting or valuing legacy if we can’t take into account other factors that we think would add value.”

Like Biden, Cardona doesn’t have an allegiance to these elite institutions. A first-generation college student who attended state schools in Connecticut, he was already critical of the selective schools even while they used affirmative action to create some opportunities for students of color. Without that tool, however, Cardona has become more adamant that colleges need to ditch their legacy preferences and fixation on selectivity that have built up their prestige and generated a key source of revenue.

Several institutions, including Wesleyan University, Carnegie Mellon University and Virginia Tech, ended or pared back their use of legacy preferences since the Supreme Court hollowed out affirmative action. Georgetown University students and employees are also drumming up support for a petition to end the practice at the private institution.

But Harvard is facing scrutiny through a complaint filed with the Education Department that could potentially end the school’s use of legacy preferences.

Striking down legacy admissions, civil rights advocates say, could bring real change in a critical process that has remained largely untouched by the federal government and stagnant at the nation’s colleges for years. How Cardona and his agency respond will send a sharp message to some of the most selective universities about what’s acceptable in the high-stakes world of college admissions — and Washington’s willingness to intervene.

“I think it’s time in our country that we’re honest about college admission processes and check ourselves. Does this reflect the values of what we want our higher education institutions to be?” Cardona said.

Following the Supreme Court’s decision in June, Biden directed the Education Department to analyze practices that hold back efforts to diversify campuses. The president critiqued legacy admissions and “other systems that expand privilege instead of opportunity.”

The complaint filed against Harvard argues that admissions preferences given to athletic recruits, the family of alumni, relatives of donors and children of faculty and staff are discriminatory against first-generation students and students of color. About 43 percent of white accepted students at Harvard were athletes, children of alumni, faculty or staff; or on the “dean’s interest list,” according to a report published in 2020. The lead author of the paper was Peter Arcidiacono, a Duke University economics professor whose research was also used to help dismantle race-conscious admissions.

Cardona’s department is the main venue to challenge legacy admissions, said Lawyers for Civil Rights Executive Director Iván Espinoza-Madrigal, whose group filed the complaint against Harvard.

“The evidence is really strong on disparate impact, discriminatory impact and exclusionary effect when it comes to students of color,” Espinoza-Madrigal said. “This is a textbook example of discrimination.”

Harvard didn’t provide a comment for this report. But a panel convened by the school to review its admissions system argued that eliminating the practice might damage the “generous financial support” alumni provide — some of which goes toward financial aid and Harvard’s efforts to diversify. It also stated that admitting children of alumni “serves a community-building function” and many are strong applicants.

Since taking office, Cardona has called on the nation’s top universities to prioritize expanding access to higher education. He has urged the schools to “stop conflating selectivity with excellence” and admonished them for competing “for the most affluent students by luring them with generous aid.”

For Cardona, this moment allows him the chance to balance the types of opportunities available to students with less means and those who are well connected.

“I’m not against Ivy Leagues,” he said in the interview. “I represent the students that we need to have more of. I should not be a counter-example. I went to a technical high school in a community that has over 75 percent of the students on free or reduced lunch. I learned English second. I’m a Latino. I’m a male in education. All these checks say that I’m not supposed to be where I am right now.”

Obama-era Education Secretary John B. King said Cardona’s personal story and career as an educator “reflects a set of really important principles” about education.

While King’s department worked to highlight efforts at colleges that serve greater shares of underrepresented students, he did not address legacy admissions during his tenure. But the Supreme Court opinion has presented an “even more urgent moment for leadership from the administration,” he said in an interview.

“It’s great to see the secretary using the bully pulpit to challenge selective admission colleges to step up and live their commitment to diversity,” said King, who’s now chancellor of the State University of New York.

Taking on legacy admissions could also be a higher education policy win for Cardona, said Peter Cunningham, an Obama-era assistant Education secretary for communications and outreach.

“There’s a lot of people out there who think the admissions process is rigged,” Cunningham said. “There’s a lot of people who believe that people who deserve opportunities don’t always get them and sometimes those who don’t really deserve opportunities do get them.”

Espinoza-Madrigal, with the Lawyers for Civil Rights, said it’s simple: Harvard’s preferential treatment violates federal law.

“This is an issue where Republicans and Democrats are talking about basic fairness, and most Americans clearly see that having access to an elite education — Harvard — should not be based on your family’s last name, or the capacity to write a check,” he said.

Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) told HuffPost that legacy admissions demonstrate “a large amount of hypocrisy” and Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), who is vying for the Republican presidential nomination, has urged Harvard to eliminate its legacy preferences. Still, many have stopped short of backing a Democratic bill banning the practice.

Just weeks after the Harvard complaint was filed, the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights opened an investigation — though it may be a while until the outcomes are released. The agency in August also followed up with new guidance that strongly recommends that colleges re-examine admissions preferences “that are unrelated to a prospective applicant’s individual merit or potential, that further benefit privileged students, and that reduce opportunities for others who have been foreclosed from such advantages.”

Colleges welcomed the clarity from the federal government, but have already been reviewing their practices, said Jonathan Fansmith, senior vice president of government relations at the American Council on Education. He also said that while Cardona is critical of selective colleges, he may be limited in how he can compel them to make changes.

The glare of attention from Cardona is not new for these colleges either, he said.

“Nobody wants to be criticized by a Cabinet-level official, but I think these institutions are often in the spotlight,” Fansmith said.

“Some of the critiques can be unfounded,” he said. “And some of the critiques reflect broader concerns with institutions in our society … There is a legitimate sort of public outcry against elites and unearned privilege — and that’s not specific to higher ed, but it’s easy to understand it through legacy preference.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788032)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:59 PM
Author: Razzle Aggressive Corner Coffee Pot

To be fair,

Biden Admin: "This shameless nepotism has just got to stop. Just because your Daddy is rich or powerful, that shouldn't write you a free admission ticket to attend Georgetown, or Yale, or whatever -- that's always been wrong, and enough is enough!"

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788243)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 4:10 PM
Author: talented purple windowlicker



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Date: September 13th, 2023 12:43 AM
Author: vibrant rigor

Hunter's aunt (def not Joe in a wig) was on one of these MSM shows gushing about how smart Hunter was and cited his Yale Law degree as evidence. ljl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46790860)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 12:49 AM
Author: mildly autistic dashing school cafeteria



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Date: September 13th, 2023 11:24 AM
Author: bright cracking dog poop



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Date: September 13th, 2023 12:35 PM
Author: anal carnelian lodge dingle berry



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:31 PM
Author: Charismatic Sinister Giraffe

>“I think it’s time in our country that we’re honest about college admission processes and check ourselves. Does this reflect the values of what we want our higher education institutions to be?” Cardona said.

i agree we should be honest. now lets do acceptance % for blacks and mexicans vs whites an asians at ivies w 1200, 1300, 1400, 1500 etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788058)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:31 PM
Author: mildly autistic dashing school cafeteria



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:32 PM
Author: vigorous coral elastic band

good

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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:32 PM
Author: stirring cuckold

1800000

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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:32 PM
Author: underhanded area pocket flask

ok

it's funny how they pretend there's some equivalence between legacy admits and AA. 99.9% of white Americans would benefit from this policy.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788071)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:33 PM
Author: Multi-colored range kitty



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:33 PM
Author: Shimmering Sex Offender Ticket Booth

you're saying that whites would stand to benefit the most from ending legacy admit preferences?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788081)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:34 PM
Author: underhanded area pocket flask

I'm saying exactly what I said, which is that 99.9% of American whites do not receive any legacy preferences and therefore would stand to benefit if they are ended.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788086)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:35 PM
Author: Shimmering Sex Offender Ticket Booth

oh ok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788088)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:46 AM
Author: flushed clown associate

yeah a lot of mouthbreathers think legacy is "my daddy went here, so i get a preference" when it's really more like "my daddy went here, became a HNW individual, the uni wants to keep a positive relationship with HNW individuals, so i get a preference"

my kids aren't getting legacy admit to my undergrad lol, i've donated less than 50K toward one endowed chair and that's it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791672)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:56 AM
Author: hyperventilating razzmatazz electric furnace

lol at you for giving a university one red cent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791712)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:57 AM
Author: flushed clown associate

i endowed a chair named after the most important man in my life (other than the guy who fucks my ass ofc)

sorry for your poverty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791716)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:57 AM
Author: Useless Boiling Water Alpha



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Date: September 13th, 2023 11:06 AM
Author: federal greedy rehab

Lol

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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:35 PM
Author: mildly autistic dashing school cafeteria

ending legacy admits would boost normie middle class whites the most

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788089)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:35 PM
Author: Shimmering Sex Offender Ticket Booth

that sounds 180

but the legacy spots would be given to "diverse" applicants

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788093)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:36 PM
Author: mildly autistic dashing school cafeteria

technically illegal now

functionally probably, but that opens up room for lawsuits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788096)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:36 PM
Author: Shimmering Sex Offender Ticket Booth



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Date: September 12th, 2023 10:14 PM
Author: stimulating skinny woman

Cr Harvard's class is like 12% non-legacy white. It's insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46790361)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:46 PM
Author: Provocative abnormal messiness

Most of the research that has been done shows that Whites are the only group whose chance of admission goes down with income when you control for factors like test scores, and they also go down if you have non-east coast stuff like future farmers of america on your application. The legacy system is a cartel of rich Jews and some old money Eastern Whites.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788173)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:50 PM
Author: Shimmering Sex Offender Ticket Booth



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Date: September 12th, 2023 4:05 PM
Author: mildly autistic dashing school cafeteria



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Date: September 12th, 2023 10:14 PM
Author: stimulating skinny woman



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:34 PM
Author: lemon sticky indian lodge

It is a ridiculous comparison but banning legacy admits would still be positive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788082)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:33 PM
Author: lemon sticky indian lodge

It colleges were forced to do acceptance on merits alone that would be a positive thing

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Date: September 12th, 2023 4:07 PM
Author: chest-beating tanning salon

agreed, but we both know that's not where this is going

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788817)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:35 PM
Author: misanthropic den

Ask any waiter-- white men are the biggest tippers. My guess is that donations to unis come mostly from white men grads. The less of them you admit, the more it hits your fundraising. Thank God for legacy admits-- at least they can count on donations from alumni. Stop admitting legacies and that takes a hit as well. Probably doesn't matter for schools like Harvard, etc. but for others, doing away with legacy bump will hurt the bottom line.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788091)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 10:15 PM
Author: stimulating skinny woman

MIT and Caltech don't seem to be having any problems finding donors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46790368)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:51 AM
Author: flushed clown associate

imagine being such a fucking bootlicker for the rich that you support legacy admissions even though you weren't one yourslef

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791687)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:36 PM
Author: blathering sadistic point digit ratio

legacy admits the only reason elite universities are elite, lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788103)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:37 PM
Author: Shimmering Sex Offender Ticket Booth



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:44 PM
Author: ivory place of business orchestra pit



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:45 PM
Author: mildly autistic dashing school cafeteria

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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:48 PM
Author: claret community account casino



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788192)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 4:19 PM
Author: thriller fanboi

MIT doesn't have legacy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788864)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 4:41 PM
Author: blathering sadistic point digit ratio

They're in a different game from say Harverd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788986)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 9:06 PM
Author: Bespoke azure cuckoldry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46790107)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:48 AM
Author: Bateful pontificating depressive



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791679)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:37 PM
Author: Laughsome Stag Film Legal Warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788105)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:37 PM
Author: jade concupiscible piazza

its only relevant at like 5 colleges and for people whose parents have 200mm net worths.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788110)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:42 AM
Author: mildly autistic dashing school cafeteria

A lot more than five and a lot less than $200M net worth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791650)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:43 PM
Author: Trip Genital Piercing Ladyboy

there should be bipartisan agreement that legacy/prof's kids/etc need to be ditched.

i don't know why they're throwing athletics into the mess, though. an athlete in most cases is demonstrating a high aptitude doing something that is common and accessible to most high school students. i get that there is bullshit like fencing, squash and to a lesser extent rowing and lax. however, all the conventional stuff like football, volleyball, track, etc. if anything favors poors/blacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788156)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:46 PM
Author: diverse double fault codepig

How can legacies be stopped at private schools? There is a constitutional rights to freedom of association.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788171)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:46 PM
Author: mildly autistic dashing school cafeteria

Gov will just say in order to receive federal funding you must end legacy admissions

done

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788175)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:48 PM
Author: diverse double fault codepig

In order to not have a 100 percent tax rate, you can't criticize Democrats. Would that hold up?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788187)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:49 PM
Author: mildly autistic dashing school cafeteria

bad analogy friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788196)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:48 AM
Author: onyx arousing friendly grandma

Commandeering

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791678)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:51 PM
Author: Trip Genital Piercing Ladyboy

these schools are sitting on piles of endowment money and some of the most expensive real estate on the planet (lmao @ what stanford's land value is); all of it tax free. throw in that they take fed money, students borrow fed money, etc. you have a lot of levers that can be pulled to get them to ditch legacy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788211)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:53 AM
Author: flushed clown associate

i remember reading that NYC's taxable land was decreasing bc apt complexes post-recession were being bought up by Columbia and NYU to be "converted into student housing," and since they're non-profits MFMFH loses all this property tax income

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791694)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:54 PM
Author: vivacious garrison partner

Cr this right is well established from the 1960s civil rights cases where restaurants kept the ability to refuse to serve Blacks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788229)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:50 AM
Author: onyx arousing friendly grandma

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP_v._Alabama

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791683)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:58 AM
Author: vivacious garrison partner

Non responsive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791721)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 11:24 AM
Author: onyx arousing friendly grandma

"Whoa, who said the Constitution establishes freedom of association?"

*shows you a SCOTUS case that's on point*

"Whoa, I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791837)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 4:04 PM
Author: stirring cuckold

LMAO

resident retard."Candy Ride" (aka TSINAH's gay wingman) thinks there's a right to association in the US. get a load of this rube

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788803)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:49 AM
Author: onyx arousing friendly grandma

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP_v._Alabama

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791682)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:49 PM
Author: underhanded area pocket flask

agreed, top .1% skill in tennis is an actual accomplishment, same as top .1% math scores.

Of course the USC thing involved juking fake "Athletic" spots to the children of $$$$ donors so obviously it can be abused. but the underlying skill is real

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788199)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:53 PM
Author: Trip Genital Piercing Ladyboy

not to mention sports are a great proxy for the intangibles like leadership, perseverance, team work, etc. that presumably admissions is trying to identify in the holistic admissions process.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788223)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 4:10 PM
Author: Exciting Shaky Kitchen Internal Respiration

some mediocre tennis player from a shit Ivy is a PE billionaire now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788826)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 12:47 AM
Author: vibrant rigor

cr. for example, perseverance and determination that comes from sports like track or cross country definitely warrant a spot in one of the ivies. Maybe not the top ones, but def one of the lower ones.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46790867)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 8:50 PM
Author: Arrogant Exhilarant Parlor Becky

Why is the university better off if it fields a competitive women's lacrosse team or men's soccer team?

It's completely bizarre that we have preferenetial admissions for athletes.

In fact, i bet ivy league sports would probably be way more fun if teams had to field teams of actual fucking students.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46790055)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 1:32 AM
Author: lemon sticky indian lodge

Cr sports at colleges has become so incredibly perverse. Why is there just a bunch of ringers at all schools? Make them field real students again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46790936)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 9:56 PM
Author: cruel-hearted center queen of the night

The problem is that in the Ivies, you have this bizarre situation where lots of the athletes are at the intersection of mediocrity. They're pretty good at say, soccer/football/volleyball, but they're nowhere near an elite talent. They're good *by Ivy League standards.* At the same time, they're often not academically at the top either, just accomplished enough to squeak by when the standards are lowered because they're recruits. And yes some of the recruits would have gotten in based on academics but if you think that's most of them, you have clearly never spent time around Ivy League athletes.

There are a few truly elite athletes, generally in niche sports like rowing. But that is not the vast majority of the Ivy athletes. The administration seems so out of touch that I'm not sure they even realize (or care?) what's going on here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46790284)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 10:09 PM
Author: Arrogant Exhilarant Parlor Becky

The ivies are weird because the sports are literally probably the most mediocre talents in the school.

Contrast that with the arts - where you have top level acapella groups, theater troops, comedy, hip hop dancing, etc. All of that gets done (a) without a huge complex of ADs, coaches, staff, etc - just student volunteers and (b) no preferential admissions.

So why is more valuable to Brown that they have the 60th best field hockey team rather than the fact that half the writers and actors from The Office went there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46790342)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 10:15 PM
Author: cruel-hearted center queen of the night

It doesn't really make any sense. It's totally antithetical to the schools' ideal of being the best. Athletics have a long history in the Ivies and were part of the process of turning out well-rounded future leaders. But that was when athletics was just one piece of the puzzle used to add some vigor to the prep school educated scion of a Boston Brahmin family or whatever. Today's athletic recruits are frequently randos from middle America who couldn't get recruited by the top programs in their sport. Having gone to a lot of reunions, I've seen a lot of these people go on to have pretty mediocre lives. Definitely not taking full advantage of the opportunity that they were given, and which someone else was not given as a result.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46790366)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 2:47 AM
Author: Exciting Shaky Kitchen Internal Respiration

right from the POV of an major sport athlete an Ivy spot is a consolation prize. you'd rather be be at a school that actually gets on TV and has pro scouts coming to the gym

and although you should never fail out of an Ivy with a 3.5 median and middle 90% of like 3.1-3.9 from what my athlete friends said it's academically tougher than a joke state school because joke state school will loosen all their standards for athletes, have special classes in "sports management" esque flame aimed at them etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791010)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 1:57 PM
Author: heady orchid philosopher-king

Legacy admissions increase donations which allow more low income minorities to get financial assistance. Ending legacy admissions is racist.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788235)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 2:03 PM
Author: lemon sticky indian lodge

Colleges don’t use endowments to fund tuition lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788251)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 4:21 PM
Author: zombie-like trailer park

I don't think there's enough LAWS, we need more LAWS. Thank GOD for meddling politicians and bureaucrats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788873)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 4:22 PM
Author: 180 wagecucks

"Biden's Anti-Semetic Past" -- ADL (reserved)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46788876)



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Date: September 12th, 2023 8:51 PM
Author: Arrogant Exhilarant Parlor Becky

It's weird. The articles attacking AA showed massive differences in admission rates by SAT score for different races.

The critiques against legacy admissions don't really seem to have those kind of stats? I wonder why....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46790063)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 12:44 AM
Author: Geriatric Candlestick Maker Goal In Life

ITT: cumskins scuffle after realizing their institutions are the opposite of meritocratic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46790863)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:44 AM
Author: flushed clown associate

what a fucking stupid thing to expend political capital on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791657)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:45 AM
Author: stirring cuckold

nobody gives a shit about this except liberal bugman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791664)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:53 AM
Author: flushed clown associate

yes that's what i said

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791698)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:55 AM
Author: federal greedy rehab

He’s slow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791708)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:53 AM
Author: gay weed whacker wrinkle

It makes cons MAF so it’s worth it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791696)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:54 AM
Author: flushed clown associate

i rather make them MAF by regulating the size of trucks or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791701)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:55 AM
Author: Fighting odious roommate immigrant

I thought libs are all wealthy elites who benefit from legacy status and cons are all meth head proles? which one is it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791706)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:58 AM
Author: flushed clown associate

you're confusing who is affected by this with who gets MAF about this

a lot of meth head proles think they're gonna be rich one day and thus support tons of bootlicker policies they'll never benefit from

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791722)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 11:01 AM
Author: Fighting odious roommate immigrant

it just means more chinks at colleges which big surprise that Biden (an employee of the CCP) supports.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791736)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 11:12 AM
Author: mildly autistic dashing school cafeteria

I don’t think it makes cons that mad tbh

It will significantly impact rich shitlib kikes and “elite” whites, neither of which vote R in large numbers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791789)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 12:38 PM
Author: chestnut medicated filthpig boltzmann

whatever record label just created "oliver anthony" (probably not his real name) isn't going to have him make cons mad about this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46792134)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:47 AM
Author: gay weed whacker wrinkle

Good there’s no reason to give someone an unfair advantage because of who their parents are

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791674)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:47 AM
Author: federal greedy rehab

That’s antisemitic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791677)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:52 AM
Author: Irradiated narrow-minded spot sweet tailpipe

Does anyone but the .1% ultra-rich care about this being ended? lol if libs think this is “owning the cons” or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791689)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 10:57 AM
Author: hyperventilating razzmatazz electric furnace

I hope they don’t think this is some kind of gotcha moment. Good. Burn these institutions to the ground.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791718)



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Date: September 13th, 2023 11:21 AM
Author: comical corn cake

oh no brer biden don’t you DARE throw are legacy admissions in dat dere briar patch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5404627&forum_id=2#46791821)