He's likely not on there because they haven't worked out the logistics since he's been on vacation for a week. But he has been invited and he did accept. I was invited too but couldn't go due to a scheduling conflict.
Date: April 2nd, 2007 11:01 PM Author: zippy scourge upon the earth turdskin
Not necessarily.
He needs to keep the focus tight.
What is the discussion about? Free speech on the internet.
What about...? I would rather we keep it to the facts than to speculate about various hypotheticals.
What about...? Repeat.
Rachmiel can do just fine because he has a lot of things in his favor. If he focuses on those things and doesn't let it devolve into a bunch of bullshit, he can win.
I find it funny how people underestimate rachmiel. The guy knows how to think on his feet and handle difficult situations (he's done it for so many years on a daily basis at his job), and if given the choice I'd rather he be on a panel like that than me because I think he'd do a better job.
Thing is, he's pretty good at keeping the focus tight. You should have heard him on the phone with RD. Honestly, him outmaneuvering Fertik on that conference call is likely why Fertik doesn't want to debate him in public.
Date: April 2nd, 2007 5:51 PM Author: 180 brethren gunner
This panel seems way too large. 8 people, once you throw in Rachmiel, is going to be extremely unwieldy.
Not to mention that things are looking pretty one-sided (based on my, admittedly, uninformed impressions of where people will line up which may be completely wrong).
"I understand that Jarrett Cohen was interested in participating, however, I think his presence on the panel will cause the discussion to be focused on AutoAdmit. We have conceived of this panel as being a more broad discussion and I don’t want it to turn into personal attacks."
Yeah, that's true -- when Fertik found out rach was invited, he said he wasn't going to attend if rach came. HLS responded by saying rach was not going to be uninvited.
Guess that's changed now, three days before the panel.
Date: April 2nd, 2007 7:06 PM Author: Indecent institution
at this point, fertik is going to get a free pass. HLS should be ashamed of itself for allowing itself to be used in this way, by a person providing a poor, ineffective service.
now you can expect some pathetic advertisement or press releases re: fertik to speak @ HLS. no, no, they'll say "fertik to *lecture* at HLS".
Date: April 3rd, 2007 8:34 AM Author: Offensive azn roast beef
Yeah, I'm not very pleased right now. I don't know what's more offensive,
-- being disinvited three days before a conference after travel arrangements have likely been made (and after being told HLS wasn't going to give in to Fertik's hissy fit),
-- the implication that rachmiel is somehow too stupid or unqualified to talk about anonymous internet speech in a broader context than this board, or
-- the Dean of Students office having such a low respect for HLS students that they think they would devolve to personal attacks if rachmiel is present.
I guess their offer to have Jarret and I speak at different events in the future mitigates things, but a lot of the good feelings I had for HLS throughout this process have dissipated now, which I think is very unfortunate since until this I've completely agreed on how they've handled everything.
He's such a scumbag! How can people not recognize that?
He takes people's money and then completely trashes their reputation on the Internet. I'm going to set up an opposing service, and for $5 I'll tell people "keep being a good person, keep doing good work, and ignore the shitheads talking about you on the Internet. You'll be fine."
Date: April 2nd, 2007 10:48 PM Author: magenta ticket booth
I don't post on here, mostly I just read. But I might go on Thursday. If you all have questions you'd like me to ask Fertick or others, let me know. Obviously I won't ask anything incendiary or offensive.
Date: April 2nd, 2007 10:55 PM Author: Milky hospital french chef
ask why people don't have better things to do with their time and doesn't this distract attention away from actual gender issues. ask whether there's a difference b/w crap online that hurts your feelings and someone sending you threatening letters or hiding in your bushes with piano wire. after they get waffle for a couple seconds, cut in with "Yeah. I thought so."
Date: April 2nd, 2007 11:08 PM Author: Aqua locale
I agree with the above. Ask Fertik why he refused to attend the panel unless Jarret Cohen's invitation was rescinded. If he denies this, ask if he would be willing to be present at a future panel with Jarret Cohen and Anthony Ciolli, since HLS has invited them already.
Date: April 3rd, 2007 8:27 AM Author: Offensive azn roast beef
To clarify, he refused to attend if either me or rachmiel were present. Both me and rachmiel had been invited, but I wasn't able to attend due to a conflict. rachmiel had accepted the invitation though, only to have his offer rescinded yesterday afternoon after Fertik threw his hissy fit.
Date: April 2nd, 2007 11:02 PM Author: Electric Sexy State Yarmulke
If they don't want to focus on autoadmit.com, what the hell else are they going to talk about? This site is one of a kind, and so is the shit-bombing it causes.
Date: April 3rd, 2007 8:55 AM Author: Indecent institution
you and rach should actually be @ the HLS thing bc you're victims too. of course, youre victims of the MSM moreso than the interwebs. the MSM lends the imprimitur (in many people's eyes) of accuracy to the accusations against you.
Date: April 3rd, 2007 9:19 AM Author: Excitant Sick Community Account
Really? Didn't think Cosgrove had veto power over panelists- there are so damn many here that such an arrangement would surprise me. But maybe she's paying attention to this one since it's sort of a hot topic.
Date: April 3rd, 2007 9:26 AM Author: Offensive azn roast beef
No clue if it was Cosgrove's decision or not (my experience with her has been nothing but positive), but the email came from someone in that office.
In any case, they're still offering to have rachmiel speak at a different event, so I at least give them credit for that. My only fear is that Fertik is going to get up there, lie, and no one will call him out on it because they're unfamiliar with the facts.
Date: April 3rd, 2007 9:32 AM Author: Offensive azn roast beef
Hey, ultimately the audience has the power. The panel can still serve its purpose if people ask Fertik and the other panelists the hard questions and call him out if he lies or says something dumb.
Plus it looks like there may be another event this month, so hopefully people will go to that.
Jarret Cohen offered to remove all the threads if Reputation Defender just apologizes. Why not just apologize and get the threads taken down?
AutoAdmit was already in the process of doing everything you wanted--why antagonize them?
Why contact law deans before contacting AutoAdmit?
Why did you talk to the Washington Post and ABC News before talking to AutoAdmit?
Do you realize that because of you the number of AutoAdmit-related results in one of your client's Google search increased from just one to seven in the top 10 alone?
Jarret Cohen contacted one of your clients several weeks ago with the intention of finding out which threads to remove, but your client refused to talk to him because she was "too tired." How do you expect this situation to resolve itself without direct communication?
Why won't you tell AutoAdmit which threads you want removed?
You've thrown everything you can at AutoAdmit yet the threads are not only still up, but there are a lot more of them. Don't you think this warrants reexamining your strategy?
So far, all the known clients of Reputation Defender, such as Ronnie Segev and Christine Parascandola not only still have true, publically available information about them available on the internet, but have also received significant criticism from blogs and other outlets for hiring Reputation Defender. Don't you think your company's business model is inherently unsustainable?
Why are you attacking AutoAdmit instead of Google when AutoAdmit is a passive actor while Google actively indexes webpages? Isn't Google more blameworthy, or at least just as blameworthy? Aren't you only targeting AutoAdmit because you're too scared to take on Google?
Date: April 3rd, 2007 9:39 PM Author: Indecent institution
because of the whole summers thing, i really doubt any harvard prof is going to stand up to the campus left and stand against censorship in this situation... they should've gotten other law profs--BC, BU, etc. or at least gotten profs who will speak out.
Date: April 5th, 2007 2:09 AM Author: Offensive azn roast beef
Please don't blame the student organizers for the uninviting. They (or at least the person we were in contact with) chose not to uninvite, but then the administration overruled them three days before the panel.
Date: April 5th, 2007 2:11 AM Author: Excitant Sick Community Account
Someone should ask what role the administration outside the berkman center played in influencing who could and couldn't attend the panel. that'd be more illustrative of the politics surrounding this thing than any stupid speech fertik could make.
Date: April 5th, 2007 10:13 PM Author: Avocado appetizing gas station Subject: Recording of tonight's HARVARD panel on AutoAdmit.
For anyone who can't wait, to download a recording of tonight's panel at Harvard Law School on AutoAdmit, click: http://autoadmitcritic.wordpress.com .
Date: April 7th, 2007 1:33 AM Author: Indecent institution
i don't. its clear no one knew any facts and that fertik chose them selectively.
that said, its awesome that he mentioned my schtick.
BTW, its amazing that fertik realizes that GTO is ok with me, even though chancemeeting and vector think GTO is out to get me bc he's pissed. fact is, even if GTO and i arent 'best friends forever', theres a working agreement there and he's cool with me.
i think this settles the issue of whether GTO would 'out' me... and the answer is, no. GTO has done a good job handling this and staying true to his word. if certain xoxo posters dont get this and just hate the pauliewalnuts schtick, hey, more power to them...
While reading the letter in the Pound hallway, Fenno passed by the wall of professors\' portraits. Curiously, he noticed that Professor Tribe\'s frame was missing. That\'s odd, thought Fenno. Where did it go? He continued walking down the hall. As he passed by a dimly lit Pound 102, he heard strange noises. A sucking sound, or slurping, or something like that. Peering through the door window, Fenno made out the figures of two of the co-authors of the Crimson letter, Michael Fertik and Dan Richenthal. Fertik was holding something up close to his face. It appeared to be the missing Tribe portrait.
\"Mmmm... yeah. Just like that. That\'s how I\'d do it.\" Fertik mused dreamily.
Richenthal grabbed the portrait from him. \"No way,\" he responded. \"If I got the chance, I\'d do it like this.\" With that, he moved his face toward the frame and planted his lips softly on the glass. \"Yeah... that\'s nice.\" His mouth roved the portrait glass sensually. \"Mmmm. Good stuff,\" Richenthal murmured delicately. Fenno thought he glimpsed a little tongue.
Fenno just couldn\'t let this opportunity go to waste. He swung open the door and called out to the two 3Ls. \"Hey fellas! What\'s up?\"
Fertik and Richenthal turned toward Fenno, horrified. Richenthal dropped the portrait, which crashed to the ground. Fenno hadn\'t seen Richenthal in quite a while; he wondered what he\'d been up to. It certainly wasn\'t charm school.
\"Er, uh, hey Fenno! Um, what are you doing here? I thought you had con law right now.\"
\"I cut out for a little while... say, guys, great letter to the Crimson. Really made a good point.\"
Fertik\'s face lit up. \"You think?\"
Replied Fenno, \"No, of course not, you sniveling mass of back hair. All you did was basically admit that Tribe plagiarized, but then said it\'s okay as long as the guy is admired by others. I mean, what the fuck?
\"You don\'t get it, Fenno,\" replied Fertik. \"It\'s all about the context--\"
\"Oh, bullshit, it\'s all about the context. You either copied or you didn\'t. And by the way, did it really take seven people to write a four-paragraph letter? Did you actually divide up the twelve sentences, or were five of you there just to pat each other on the back?\"
Retorted Richenthal, \"Suck it, Fenno!\"
\"From the looks of it, you seem to be taking care of that,\" Fenno answered coolly. \"By the way, be sure to wipe down those smudges before you put the frame back up. You don\'t want to leave a mark.\" And with that, he headed out of the room.
Fenno found himself back in the hall. He figured he should probably get back to Fried\'s class. Outside, the skies were already pitch dark, and the wind looked to have picked up. Rain was threatening. Gotta love those Cambridge falls, thought Fenno. Or was it winter already? Sometimes it was just too hard to tell.