Boalt Dean Recommends Expulsion of Trustafarian
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Date: April 26th, 2007 2:45 PM Author: Multi-colored personal credit line Subject: for reals....
Posted at 10:49 am at http://memoirsofhastings.blogspot.com/
BREAKING: Dean Edley, Boalt, has recommended that the student who posted the threat on XOXO be expelled. The case goes to U.C. Berkeley's Judicial Affairs Office for final adjudication.
April 25, 2007
To: Boalt Community
From: Dean Christopher Edley, Jr.
It has been a week since the distressing events involving a Boalt student's threat —a hoax — against the community at Hastings College of the Law. I am writing to let you know that all our actions following the incident have been taken with the intention of securing the safety and well-being of our community and that at Hastings, while respecting the procedural rights of the student.
On Wednesday, April 25, 2007, the Law School filed a complaint with the U.C. Berkeley Judicial Affairs Office against the law student who claimed responsibility for posting the threat on a website. We, the administrative leadership of Boalt, believe that the student's action is clearly in violation of a number of regulations detailed in the Student Code of Conduct. The case will be adjudicated by Judicial Affairs according to campus regulations. Those regulations prohibit us from disclosing the name of the student against whom we are proceeding.
Based on the facts as we understand them today, we have recommended expulsion. This is based not only on the intrinsic wrongfulness of the act itself, but also the disruption, turmoil and emotional toll on the Hastings community and, to a more limited extent, the Boalt community as well. I have received ample evidence of this through a great many emails, some of them painful to read.
This incident has once again confirmed for me the strength and qualities of the Boalt community. Even in this challenging circumstance, you have engaged in thoughtful and productive discussions. We should all take some pride in this, imperfect though we are.
Christopher Edley, Jr.
Professor of Law and Dean
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8010943) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 2:57 PM Author: Comical state
TITCR!
For the laymen out there who constantly bitch about lawyers and the tendency to always encourage a client to deny everything unless there is uncontroverted proof, this is why. Personal accountability and responsibility gets you nowhere except shitcanned.
Denial, even if guilty, can often evolve into victory.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011006) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:00 PM Author: orange beta native
it's amazing the morons in the boalt administration didnt take his (apparent) forthrightness into account when deciding on the sanction. hopefully he can convince the honor committee board or whatever not to expel him. hope, for his sake, some people familiar with the depraved sense of humor here are on the panel that decides his fate.
btw, wtf is wrong with people at boalt? they sent the dean "painful" emails describing the "emotional toll" of getting out of school early because of a dumb hoax? bunch of fags.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011021) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:30 PM Author: fragrant aquamarine forum brethren
I'm assuming the grammar and spelling mistakes are what made the emails 'painful'.
edit: I see this point was already made below.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011180) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:03 PM Author: maniacal effete office deer antler
"Denial, even if guilty, can often evolve into victory."
wow, are you for serious? if you're guilty of an offense and you deny it, your denial can "often evolve into victory"? OMG wow your pretty smart!!!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011034) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:09 PM Author: Comical state
Uhhh yeah . . . I am serious. If you cannot see the truth in my statement, then maybe you should try to work on separating moral convictions from professional obligations.
Is denying an act that you are guilty of morally reprehensible? To a lot of people.
Does denial ultimately result in charges dropped and cases dismissed? Every day in a lot of courtrooms around this country.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011070) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 2:48 PM Author: exhilarant zippy famous landscape painting crotch
On the one hand i feel bad for him. This is WAAAY worse than he deserves (In fact he deserves a medal for actually being a moral person).
But on the other hand, it was SO STUPID for him to come forward. Particularly as a law student, he shouldve known that confessions are almost always the wrong answer.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8010960) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:02 PM Author: razzmatazz hall
proof that most academics are pussified pieces of shit that abuse their "power" whenever they get the chance.
fuck you, christopher edley. get a real job.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011028) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 2:47 PM Author: saffron pungent den electric furnace
Wow.
Dinged for stupidity.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8010952) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 2:48 PM Author: saffron pungent den electric furnace
Did trusta have a manifesto?
Will he be able to transfer anywhere? Maybe Hastings?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8010956) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 2:49 PM Author: slimy brilliant dysfunction genital piercing
if it's true that they don't log IPs, had trustafarian not fessed up he'd be scot free, instead he's expelled from law school.
i think it's safe to say he's made a huge mistake
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8010962) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:27 PM Author: Maize adventurous heaven
Not sure about that. By fessing up, he almost surely has avoided criminal penalties that he had a significantly better chance of facing if the FBI had to spend a couple weeks subpoenaing a bunch of people to get IP logs, and then doing IP traces to locate who posted it. Sure, they may not have caught him. But they may have. Especially since they immediately had the lead that he was a Boalt student. How many males are in the Boalttt 1L class?
There are plenty of other things to do besides being a lawyer. You can't do them if you're in Federal Ass Pounding Prison.
That said, I'm sure he didn't expect this result.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011161) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 2:50 PM Author: Judgmental partner
"This incident has once again confirmed for me the strength and qualities of the Boalt community."
So which incident are they talking about:
1) A Boalt student shutting down a whole law school?
2) The support of expulsion of a kid who made a joke on the interweb that everyone grossly overreacted to?
I'm confused what he's actually proud of.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8010972) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 2:54 PM Author: canary trailer park mediation
Wow. This seems like a stunning overreaction.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8010985) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 2:54 PM Author: orange beta native
seems like a good time for that WGWAG troll/tattle to attn whore and tell us what a great person he is for calling boalt over that stupid fucking post that any schmuck could tell was a joke.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8010988) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 2:54 PM Author: Nudist amethyst public bath shitlib
Take-home moral, boys and grrls?
DENY, DENY, DENY!!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8010989) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 2:57 PM Author: up-to-no-good point
This has to be the first XOXO initiated expulsion...and from a T14 nonetheless!!!
Im so proud.....
Still don't think act merits expulsion though.
Trusta just must repeat the mantra:
BANKINGPWNSLAW
Bet this makes it hard to study for finals though! Seriously? what do you do? get stoned?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011007) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 2:58 PM Author: House-broken insecure center
Horrible.
Does this guy get to plead his case? can he bring a lawyer?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011010) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 2:58 PM Author: pontificating flirting nowag rigor
This saddens me
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011012) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 2:59 PM Author: orchid ungodly son of senegal
what did he actually say in the threat? I missed this whole thing
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011014) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:02 PM Author: Chestnut area
How sad. He was forthright and he got pwned for it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011029) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 6:47 PM Author: onyx international law enforcement agency community account
no, you're actually extremely stupid.
if this were all about some stupid joke, would trustafarian be facing expulsion right now? uh, no you fucking retard.
the whole fucking point is that it doesn't matter what trustafarian "intended." please tell me you understand this.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8012174) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 6:52 PM Author: onyx international law enforcement agency community account
i love it when you ttt students get your facts all mixed up. your minds are soooo slow.
i've never discussed federal case law with you, faggot.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8012202) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 7:13 PM Author: cracking shrine incel
my point is you can't rip a post out of context and present it as if it could be taken at face value.
trustafarian posted here before: the usual "chicks are ugly here" crap. there were many indicia of unreliability.
If your mom said "I could just shoot myself" when she made a mistake, you wouldn't have her committed, would you? We call that hyperbole, exaggeration.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8012301) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 5:47 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
also seconded
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011882)
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:03 PM Author: Bright Hyperactive Jewess
"I have received ample evidence of this through a great many emails, some of them painful to read."
at least he admits boalttt students are shitty writers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011036) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:04 PM Author: Primrose police squad faggotry
presumably he came forward knowing that he's an idiot, and posted from home, or at least on his own PC on the school or his home network. if he hadn't come forward the FBI would have most certainly done what they could to find him -- and not to be paranoid, i think they would have found him (patriot act, or not - a judge would have given a subpoena).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011040)
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:07 PM Author: slimy brilliant dysfunction genital piercing
if there are no IP logs what exactly are you going to subpoena?
i would have wiped all XOXO evidence off my computer then gone out and bought an unsecured wireless router. let's see them prove it for expulsion then
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011060) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:10 PM Author: slimy brilliant dysfunction genital piercing
I take it you know absolutely nothing about the internet, then.
there are a lot of things where there simply is no information. it's questionable that it could even be traced back to your IP without logs, but even if it could removing the evidence from your computer is not terribly difficult.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011077) |
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Date: April 27th, 2007 2:41 AM Author: Well-lubricated parlour
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:09 PM Author: orange beta native
1. there are IP logs. plenty of them. people can stop trotting out that tired urban legend.
2. if there were no ip logs, would rachmiel get in trouble with law enforcement agencies? if no ip logs and someone makes a threat on his board and the FBI cant ID them, wouldnt he have hell to pay?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011071) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:27 PM Author: cracking shrine incel
no one can force you to keep ip logs.
why do you hate (intellectual) freedom?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011164) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:06 PM Author: mildly autistic resort
Exceedingly rude.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011051) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:06 PM Author: Bat Shit Crazy Demanding Bbw
The dean made a stupid choice. If confessing means expulsion, nobody will ever confess to anything. There's simply no reason to!
It's especially disgusting that the dean felt it necessary to consider the panicked idiots and their pathetic trauma. I'm sick of coddling skittish fools who piss their pants at the sight of their own shadow.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011052) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:37 PM Author: fragrant aquamarine forum brethren
Yeah. I can see kicking him out for a year, perhaps, but outright expulsion leads to the result you bring up.
It's a true victory for victim rights. Yeah.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011219) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:08 PM Author: orange beta native
hypothetically, assuming damages from LS explusion, would trustafarian have any sort of legal case against: boalt? rachmiel/xoxo? How many WGWAG (the tattle)?
could he argue that he considered his post inane nonsense because of the type of place xoxo is and that it shouldnt be held to the same "fire in a crowded theatre" standard to which people have compared it?
i imagine not, but i'm curious to see if there are any legal opinions on this.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011064) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:21 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
he only has a case against boalt for wrongful expulsion, and not a very good one at that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011128)
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:32 PM Author: cracking shrine incel
a case against rach or xoxo? "stop me before I post again"?
this is a bulletin board, and trusty simply filled out a card and thumbtacked it to the board.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011190) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:12 PM Author: Tripping Milk
i wouldn't expell him for fear he'd change his target to a different UC.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011084) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:16 PM Author: olive feces
seriously, one of the trolls here with their IP masking crap should retaliatepwn.
not on this forum of course.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011107) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:16 PM Author: alcoholic plum pocket flask locus
His punishment should be to transfer to Hastings for 1 year and stand in front of the school with a sign around his neck identifying himself as the "shooter".
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011108) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:16 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
This is absolutely ridiculous and infuriating. I defended the decision to report Trustafarian's post to Hastings. I defended the decision to evacuate the campus. I defended the FBI's desire to identify and interview him. All those things are reasonable reactions given the circumstances at the time.
But the "threat" was confirmed to be what most people knew it would be: a bad and stupid joke. Trustafarian is guilty of bad judgment. He's not guilty of an offense disqualifying him from the legal profession. He more than made up for his poor judgment by apologizing, coming forward, and cooperating with authorities.
I agree with everyone else on this thread who says that Boalt is making their message loud and clear: DON'T come forward, DON'T be responsible if you make a mistake, DON'T be honest, and DON'T apologize even when you've screwed up. Boalt's decision to try and expel him HARMS the legal profession, rather than bettering it.
Fuck you, Boalt.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011109) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:37 PM Author: Swashbuckling Therapy
hear motherfucking hear.
this shit pisses me off like fucking crazy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011215) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:43 PM Author: canary trailer park mediation
Excellent post.
This seems like a textbook case of groupthink by the Boalt administration, where enough angry people got in a room and the group eventually coalesced around the most extreme reaction. The series of seemingly self-satisfied e-mails coming from the Dean also supports this interpretation of events.
Hopefully cooler heads will prevail at the actual sentencing phase, though I think it is extremely unlikely that the Judicial Affairs bureaucrats are going to stand up to the Law School administration. My guess is that the decision has already effectively been made.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011249) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:46 PM Author: Violent carnelian theater stage mad-dog skullcap
I'd be inclined to write a letter of support if I didn't think it would make things worse for him.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011264) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 4:17 PM Author: Violent carnelian theater stage mad-dog skullcap
Yeah - that was the plan. Was this statement released outside the Boalt community?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011410) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 5:34 PM Author: Violent carnelian theater stage mad-dog skullcap
Good point. It really, really bugs me that this guy is being crucified for taking responsibility for a bad decision.
After reflecting on this a bit, I don't think I will hide the fact that I read this board and even post once in a while. In my opinion, the racist, sexist crap on here adds no value. That said, this board does have a great assortment of intelligent posters with the kind of dark, sharp humor that I appreciate. I read this board for it's law-related content and I read it for its often edgy humor. Trustafarian obviously missed the mark with the Hastings threat thread, but expulsion is just ridiculous for the reasons many have already listed.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011802)
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Date: April 26th, 2007 5:05 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
im not a fucktard. you're a fucktard. stoopid dumhed.
anyway, i think we can all agree that mistakes are often made by all of us. we've all made them in moments of brain deadness when we werent thinking things through as carefully as we should have. the point here is not to say, as you suggest: "never have brain dead moments". the point is to say, "if you have a brain dead moment and do something stupid, react to it in a responsible way".
boalt sends the opposite signal. "if you make a mistake, hide, lie, deny, accuse, and run way but by no means come forward and apologize".
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011659) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 5:10 PM Author: Cream ape indirect expression
Should we bump your fbi thread so everyone can see you attempting to lecture me on how xoxo posters are about to be charged with "hate speech"?
That was a fun discussion.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011690) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:16 PM Author: cerebral sanctuary patrolman
somebody calll the whaaaaaaambulance
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011110) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:42 PM Author: impressive passionate parlor hominid
I love that line.
I use it all the time. Not many people find it funny though.
It especially works well when the complaining is absolutely justified, like
"You stold my purse!"
"Ohhhh should I call the Whaaaaambulance?"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011241) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:19 PM Author: bonkers exciting jap
Horrible decision.
Had trusta remained silent, Hastings police would have probably needed days to uncover the fraud, if they ever would have proven it to their satisfaction. Class would have been cancelled for much longer than half a day.
By acting as he did, Trusta not only did the moral thing to minimize the repercussions of his recklessness, but he saved the Hastings community from MORE pain and anguish. he should be censored but not expelled. The Interwebs will be full of this kind of stuff, and with this decision Boalt Law will certainly be taken into account by future Trustafarians who are reckless with speech or a bad joke.
The idiots at Columbia who rushed the stage with the minutemen were only reprimanded.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011120) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:44 PM Author: Violent carnelian theater stage mad-dog skullcap
I agree with this post entirely. By coming forward immediately, he prevent a bad situation from becoming much, much worse.
Original stupid post notwithstanding, it took a lot of integrity and courage for him to contact the authorities and stop the Hastings situation from escalating. This wasn't the sort of thing that was just going to blow over in a few hours. Coming forward prevented a brief scare from developing into something far worse.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011254)
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Date: April 26th, 2007 11:19 PM Author: nofapping meetinghouse blood rage
but speaking out against evil conservatives is never a crime.
it falls outside any punishment that a similar act that does attack the liberals enemies (like rushing the stage when the respected world leader Ahmadinejad spoke at a similar convention, maybe) would recieve.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8013919) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:20 PM Author: exhilarant zippy famous landscape painting crotch
The threat was made on xoxo. I honestly think that had the threat been made in a different venue and had had the same repercussions, the dean would not be asking for his head.
Law schools are at war with xoxo. Trustafarian's head was merely the first to roll.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011124) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:27 PM Author: olive feces
dude. in light of what we learned in this past week, how easy would it be for one person to "get back" at a high strung law school?
something I would never advocate or encourage, of course.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011159) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:38 PM Author: olive feces
haha, I wasn't even talking about actual violence. One stupid prank post on any forum would shut down Boalttt for the rest of the school year.
It would be stupid and asking for trouble, but I bet some of the real hacker trolls on here would see it as a challenge.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011222) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:22 PM Author: aromatic hospital
This decision sets an astonishingly bad example. I hope he/she is not actually expelled in the end.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011137) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:23 PM Author: Provocative Principal's Office Sweet Tailpipe
There's a big difference between Edley's "recommendation" and the actual punishment itself. Edley doesn't get to impose the penalty, but if the penalty is more rational, and takes account of the fact that Trustafarian stepped forward, then Edley has saved face and all's well that ends fairly.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011138) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:38 PM Author: razzmatazz hall
not reactionary in the general political sense, but in the academic sense.
so many of these shitheels hang on to long-since-passed (if ever existed) perceptions of law schools to be utopian "academies" where everyone is polite and high-level discussion of the legal, political, and philosophical takes place and their bullshit "scholarship" actually means something. newsflash profs, courts hardly ever even cite law reviews anymore.
trusta's joke and this board are deviations from their utopia and seen as attacks on their lifestyle.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011224) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:54 PM Author: razzmatazz hall
i know that, given a similar choice (say northwestern or duke), i would not choose boalt. i imagine this applies to others as well.
your administration is supposed to stick up for you, not hang you out to dry. this edley dood lacks the sack to stick up for his man, fuck him.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011302) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:37 PM Author: Appetizing plaza
Trustafarian SHOULD have responded to the tattletale's posts by posting "It was a joke you fucking moron, lighten up."
Then, would the FBI really have expended the resources necessary to find out Trustafarian's identity when it wasn't even clear that a crime was committed?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011216) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:40 PM Author: curious gaping sex offender
maybe this went too far.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011236) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:45 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
rofl
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011260)
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:56 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
Trustafarian = Cho's final victim
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011308)
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:44 PM Author: Stimulating Ivory Church Telephone
The thought of this guy having to explain to his friends/family why he is getting kicked out of law school and having his life ruined is sadly entertaining.
"But Mom, you don't understand! I changed the post to say 'white girls with asian guys' right after! I thought the FBI would understand it was a joke!"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011251) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 3:49 PM Author: White base
I would like Rachmiel to publicly give the identity of the snitch. He deserves, at the very least, public ostracism for this act. He intentionally ruined the career of a real person. Imagine if reporting obvious board flame to the authorities was more prevalent. Rach should out this fucker for the good of the website. I can't say this result is good for XO or any of its posters.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011281) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 4:11 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
sorry but i disagree.
i dont think the actions of the "snitch", Hastings, or the fbi were unreasonable.
bad judgment has been exercised here by only two individuals: trustafarian, and the overreacting dean of boalt.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011372) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 4:23 PM Author: orange beta native
ive said this since day 1: the snitch should have said "this is a dangerous thing to say publically... unless you can convince me you're joking, i may notify hastings administrators about this because it seems like a threat"
instead, what did he do? he copied the post nad repeatedly bumped the thread to make sure it got lots of attn. then he presumably called hastings admin.
you dont think he exercised bad judgment?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011436) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 5:07 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
he absolutely should get a lawyer.
maybe even contact the EFF. dont know if they will be interested or not but they may be.
www.eff.org/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011672)
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Date: April 26th, 2007 5:02 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
i dont think the actions you're complaining about (bumping the thread) had anything to do with what happened to trust. the triggering event for trust was the phone call to hastings. events after that were out of WG's control.
so no, i dont think he exercised bad judgment. while i sympathize with trust, let's not lose sight of the fact that HE did something very stupid that he should have foreseen would lead to trouble. people overreacting to stupid jokes is not exactly a completely unheard of phenomenon.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011646) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 11:45 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
oh ok, so...
it was unforeseeable that one person reading xoxo would take the post seriously and call hastings
it was then unforeseeable that hastings would take the post seriously and call the fbi
it was then unforeseeable that the fbi would take the post seriously and contact xoxo in an effort to identify trustafarian.
you have several rounds of unforeseeable bizarre human behavior to explain away to the jury, pal. let me guess. the whole world is crazy except for you?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8014120)
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Date: April 27th, 2007 1:46 PM Author: cracking shrine incel
"it was unforeseeable that one person reading xoxo would take the post seriously and call hastings "
Yes. Even in the case of the one "threat" that was actually carried out: to send hi's family information to the yale faculty, posters engaged with lonelyvirgin and tried to dissuade him.
No one tried to engage and dissuade trustafarian, indicating no one took it seriouly.
forwarding the deleted post, w/o explaining the context of being surrounded by retarded humor from dipshit trolls was unforeseeable.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8016957)
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Date: April 27th, 2007 1:59 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
again i also find it telling that trustafarian edited his post within 10 minutes. even he knew in retrospect that he'd crossed a line that he shouldnt have crossed. it may be "easier" to unring a bell on the internet than when you say something verbally, but this incident proves it is not always possible.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8017048)
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Date: April 26th, 2007 3:53 PM Author: Electric Slate Spot
and the columbia minutemen protestors get warnings. f that, academia, ill be glad to be gone
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011297) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 4:08 PM Author: curious gaping sex offender
how could he out the person while protecting the people who, with the same intention, outted all of those girls that complain about the board? while their injury is less, the personal responsibility of trust is greater here.
on balance, isn't it the same consideration?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011355) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 4:20 PM Author: orange beta native
columbia minutemen posters?
explain?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011423) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 4:31 PM Author: Bright Hyperactive Jewess
protesters not posters.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LR2EOsqAVo8
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011486) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 4:13 PM Author: Glassy Alcoholic Site
the trustafarian tragedy is now on par with the vtech shootings. good job liberals
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011386) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 4:29 PM Author: fluffy turdskin knife
If legitimate, this is really fucking pathetic. I hope this discourages people from accepting offers there.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011468) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 4:41 PM Author: frum citrine laser beams pozpig
it was just a joke and everyone knows it. fuck boalt. what a TTT.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011527) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 4:42 PM Author: Bistre Pea-brained Round Eye
Only a small fraction of the ire is directed for the "threat." The law school administrations (and probably many students) are imputing the full weight of the black-hats prior actions on this site onto this guy.
The danger in posting on this forum is not that you'll act like a malicious troll and get found out -- because these people will probably use foreign proxies and Tor anonymity cloaks. The true danger is posting as a white or gray hatter under your own IP (as any normal person would), fucking up, and then having all the actions of the forum's black-hat users imputed onto you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011534) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 4:59 PM Author: Slippery smoky associate theater
Yup.
Deans don't especially care about this board. Trustafarian is punished for the words he posted, not for anything else.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011631) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 6:14 PM Author: sienna crusty pistol
yeah, good think NDLS didn't just block the board this morning
you're kidding yourself if you don't think this board pisses off alot of people
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8012003) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 6:36 PM Author: Slippery smoky associate theater
Wow. *This* morning? You mean, a few days after Trustafarian went and got Hastings evacuated?
Must be a general non-specific grudge.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8012122)
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Date: April 26th, 2007 10:51 PM Author: bronze razzle-dazzle casino internal respiration
It pisses people off about things that are, in the long run, trivial. There is a profound difference between posting nasty things about fellow law student losers and threatening to blow up a fucking law school.
In the end, nobody cares about the nasty things said to, by, or about Heide Iravani, Jodie Rosello, or that woman who's about to graduate from Chicago who shall not be named because Jaret and Anthony have an inexplicable hard on for her. But threatening to blow up a law school is serious shit and warrants serious consequences. I can't fathom why one would think otherwise.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8013713) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 5:21 PM Author: Bistre Pea-brained Round Eye
Upon reconsideration, the student probably would have had problems if he had posted the "joke" anywhere else.
Still, it is especially stupid to post it on a forum that is universally shunned by law deans and faculty + students -- even before the incident took place. People aren't going to
think -- "well, this is one major screwup, but let's give this guy another chance." Instead, they're going to say -- "this is just another predictable event in a long chain of harassment, invasion of privacy, and now death threats." And in a way, they'd be right -- the forum has become much more corrosive than it was just a year ago
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011739) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 4:51 PM Author: mentally impaired keepsake machete
The rush to adjudication in this matter is sad. So many people do so many worse things and just get a slap on the wrist.
Thanks, Bush!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011583) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 4:57 PM Author: Excitant national security agency
Honestly, this is an expression of disdain for XOXO more than anything else.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011623) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 5:05 PM Author: Slippery smoky associate theater
Simple math:
Deans are preoccupied with?
a. [Virginia Tech > XOXO]
b. [Virginia Tech < XOXO]
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011662)
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Date: April 26th, 2007 5:07 PM Author: lavender laughsome chapel
titcr
The politically correct law deans must put a stop to the free expression of ideas (or at least any ideas that they do not like). They are thought control nuts!
The feds cannot convict this guy of anything as the 9th circuit requires intent -- probably why no charges have been filed. This was clearly a JOKE! No one questions that. The Hastings Dean admittted that she knew it was a joke. She did not like the joke so she did everything within her power to ruin the person making the joke. Both Deans should be ashamed of themselves. They made a mountain out of a molehill.
Good job Deans!
I hope they both lose their jobs over the shitty way they handled this situation.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011670) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 5:23 PM Author: Heady Sapphire Juggernaut Lettuce
Getting kicked out after one year might be better than going through two more years, incurring $100K more debt (assuming no actual trust fund), and then having serious C&F problems.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011749) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 5:46 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
would c&f application require disclosure of an attempted expulsion even if he is not expelled?
there was no arrest, misdemeanor or felony. obviously no conviction. he was merely investigated by law enforcement. so far none of those things alone would compel c&f disclosure.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011875) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 6:11 PM Author: Maize adventurous heaven
"would c&f application require disclosure of an attempted expulsion even if he is not expelled?"
I took this to mean he was not given any discipline. If he were suspended, that would be different.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8011982) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 8:42 PM Author: Heady Sapphire Juggernaut Lettuce
Dear Retard,
There is a difference between drawing an obvious conclusion and changing the facts.
HTFH
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8012727) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 6:56 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
titcr
But I don't believe the reporting of this incident, even involving a milder punishment like suspension, will bar him from passing c&f.
this was a lapse in judgment perhaps akin to a dui. it was not an issue involving his moral turpitude. dui convicts routinely pass c&f as long as they are honest in their disclosures.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8012220) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 6:27 PM Author: Indecent space dopamine
serves him right for confessing. given his profound naivety, he belongs in a school that serves the dumbs (cooley, texas southern, western state, etc.)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8012072) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 6:56 PM Author: mauve abusive cumskin
200 of these posts are Trustafarian.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8012218) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 8:43 PM Author: lilac hyperventilating nursing home tank
Depends on where he posted the message from. If he was at home he was screwed if the FBI ever got involved. Any chance that if he was on the school network he could have just torched his computer, bought a new one with cash and pretended nothing ever happened?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8012732) |
Date: April 26th, 2007 9:02 PM Author: Multi-colored personal credit line
One of Hastings' ethics profs said he would expel Trustafarian if he were managing the situation. Said such a gross lack of judgment should not be tolerated and would certainly lead to disbarment were Trust already an attorney.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8012880) |
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Date: April 26th, 2007 11:49 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
well, an ethics professor at hastings would have to recuse himself if he were really hearing the situation in a judicial capacity.
i would be interested to know what law profs in other schools and states think.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8014144)
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Date: April 26th, 2007 11:39 PM Author: bull headed henna tattoo
What if he was drunk and hit enter too soon?
I mean, what if this were true, or he said it. "I was drunk, and fooling around and was going to write a satire about the VA-Tech incident and accidentally hit a tab and enter and it submitted it before I had a chance to full explain this was not a threat or anything of that magnitude, following that I realized I made a mistake, and erased the post and posted another joke, and went to sleep quite drunk, here is what I intended to post, as you see, it was clearly a satire and not an active threat, more of an excerpt from a possible play"
What would have happened then? The equivalent of a technical error, hell, one wonders what would happen if he printed out a piece of paper with this on it, and then said he got the idea from the paper and was simply quoting something he found on the ground at his school, etc.
I think there were many hypotheticals in this situation which would have been more than enough to clear him and put significant doubt on it.
I think a lot of people post shit while drunk and on accident, obviously he's a retard for posting this, at all, and a bigger retard for completely confessing to this, when there were many more rational explanations for his misbehavior, which would have been better than the WGWAG defense.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8014087) |
Date: April 27th, 2007 12:39 AM Author: lavender laughsome chapel
I'm sure the Boalt and Hastings Deans are feeling all big and powerful now. They really showed that Trustafarian kid a thing or two. And xoxo, well, you guys better watch out!
Dean Edley: great job on supporting your students!
Dean Newton: great job in the drama queen role!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8014512) |
Date: April 27th, 2007 2:53 AM Author: balding diverse pisswyrm
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8015120) |
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Date: April 27th, 2007 11:47 AM Author: Arrogant lake library
When the Law School Deans condemned the T14 contest,
I did not speak out,
because I was not Paulie Walnuts.
When the Law School Deans condemned our racism,
I did not speak out,
because I never posted "nigger."
When the Law School Deans condemned our sexism,
I did not speak out,
because I only made fun of females too fat to be human.
When the Law School Deans disinvited rachmiel and let Fertik speak,
I did not speak out,
because I did not go to Harvard.
When the Law School Deans came for Trustafarian,
I did not speak out,
because I didn't post a death threat.
When they came for the rest of XOXO,
there was no one left to speak out.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8016067) |
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Date: April 27th, 2007 12:56 PM Author: vigorous umber orchestra pit skinny woman
"When the Law School Deans condemned our sexism,
I did not speak out,
because I only made fun of females too fat to be human."
I <3 you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8016601)
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Date: April 27th, 2007 11:51 AM Author: Chocolate greedy regret
Somebody over on above the law made a good point about this whole situation. Didn't Trusty say that he decided NOT to do it? In all the coverage of the incident, I think this fact gets way to little notice.
If the FBI wanted to prosecute him, what would they charge him with? How is what he said any different from someone posting that they just decided not to rob the local Walmart?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8016107)
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Date: April 27th, 2007 12:50 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
First of all it doesn't look he will be prosecuted anyway.
But more importantly, the issue you raise goes more to the adequacy of the evidence, rather than the ultimate guilt/innocence question. The wording of his post might cause some people to believe that he was making a "threat". For example, I could "threaten" you by saying the exact opposite of something and it wouldn't be a defense for me to say that my words did not technically constitute a threat.
example: hey killer_kyle, I swear I'm NOT going to rub cat poo on your front door tonight. Really. I won't. Muah ha ha. Have a good night!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8016565) |
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Date: April 27th, 2007 2:24 PM Author: Costumed Bawdyhouse
you are not getting the full story.
in the thread title, he said that he decided not to do it.
then in the post he said that he was all set for "bloody wednesday" but the sun was shining and the birds were singing. then he went on to say "maybe tomorrow, there's rain in the forcast"
so it sounds creepy at best, but after the VA tech thing (which he specifically referenced) it could be taken as a threat.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8017178)
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Date: April 27th, 2007 12:28 PM Author: 180 national wrinkle
Interestingly, rumor is Trustafarian was expelled not over the threat, but because after reading this board the Dean learned that admissions let him slip through with a 164 LSAT.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8016440) |
Date: April 27th, 2007 3:05 PM Author: red kitchen sound barrier
Dear Dean Christopher Edley, Jr.:
I think you're a self-righteous piece of garbage and a coward.
Boalt students should rebel. This penalty clearly doesn't meet the crime, and this jackass is ruining someone's career merely for his own benefit.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8017589) |
Date: April 27th, 2007 3:13 PM Author: insane set legend
Q:
Would any of you people defending autoadmit and trust to the end here actually do so in an argument IRL? it seems to me like all pro-autoadmit arguments would dissolve in then air in an IRL context as people laugh uproariously in your face as you are outed as a messageboard-posting nerd.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8017627) |
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Date: April 27th, 2007 4:13 PM Author: walnut soul-stirring newt field
A: I'm a lawyer IRL. I've defended far worse allegations than this and wouldn't hesitate to do so for this chump if I were asked to do so. He will not have trouble finding a lawyer to defend him if he wants one.
Not sure what your point is.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8017979) |
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Date: April 27th, 2007 5:46 PM Author: violent corn cake theatre
If that's the question, then I my answer is no.
I don't want to tie myself to this board publicly because too many people make irrational/prejudiced judgments about people and would lump me in with the "shock value" racist/sexist/etc. nitwits.
I would, however, make the same arguments I've made on this board in public.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8018657) |
Date: April 27th, 2007 3:56 PM Author: Dull deep roommate
way fucked for an obvious joke and nonthreat. "decided NOT to..."
but at least boalt is expelling him rather than sucking down 2 more years of his tuition only to see him c&f pwned.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8017878) |
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Date: April 27th, 2007 6:01 PM Author: Dull deep roommate
school was evacuated the day of the post not the "maybe" day.
In any event I cant think of a more plainfully obvious joke than postponing a serial killing because of good weather... Lets try to infuse this conversation with some common sense.
the guy made an illtimed joke that people warped their minds around to work themselves into a frenzy. fucking retarded. F.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8018803) |
Date: April 29th, 2007 12:27 PM Author: milky mental disorder brunch
holy christ xoxo people are stupid...
you're all talking about "denial works best" being what you learned out of all this because you're all too dumb to realize that refraining from engaging in the unnecessary act of stupidity in the first place is a better way to avoid the situation
youre all so fucked in life
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8029159)
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Date: April 29th, 2007 1:06 PM Author: Puce abode
LOL
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#8029260) |
Date: March 6th, 2008 3:41 PM Author: Blue beady-eyed step-uncle's house fortuitous meteor
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#9438919) |
Date: March 6th, 2008 4:01 PM Author: House-broken insecure center
so what happened to this guy anyway. he really got the boot for this nonsense?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=621206&forum_id=2#9438982) |
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